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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:03 pm to CottonWasKing
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:03 pm to CottonWasKing
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And I think if someone goes missing behind the wall for multiple years the same time the Others are coming back and the wildlings are FLEEING their homeland then that's pretty good evidence of their death
I get this, but why have him mentioned countless times? Even after the battle at the Fist, Jon has multiple reflective moments about Benjen. If your theory about his literary purpose as an escort for us to the fist is true, then why is he mentioned deep into the 4th book (and in the 5th too, I believe). I just can't see any reason for that unless he has some further important purpose in the storyline.
This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 12:04 pm
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:03 pm to SetTheMood
He still has a story IMO. Martin normally declares death or uses possible wording in the official app wiki but there is no place of death or possible death in Benjens write up. We keep hearing the next book will go further north then we have ever been I figure this is where we find Benjen
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:33 pm to CottonWasKing
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Well no one would've been chosen if he didn't disappear because Mormont would still be alive.
Good point. Though I guess he could have been gone long enough for Mormont to mount the expedition. But people like Benjen and Halfhand had to be kept out of the Commander deliberations.
quote:You could well be right. I'm just not convinced that he's dead right now. I'm sticking with the Wild Bill Guannere wisdom on that right now. ("If there ain't no body, there ain't nobody frickin' dead")
And I think if someone goes missing behind the wall for multiple years the same time the Others are coming back and the wildlings are FLEEING their homeland then that's pretty good evidence of their death
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:36 pm to CE Tiger
Dying and being raised as a wight might cause some change in appearance but the wights who attacked Mormont were recognized by the men of the Watch. Unless someone has an answer for why Bran doesn't recognize his uncle, I think Benjen=Coldhands is pretty well shot down.
Didn't Martin mention in an interview or other event that we would eventually learn what happened to Benjen? (Its somewhere in those So Sayeth Martin files that link from Westeros but that shite doesn't really navigate well. Tough to find a particular quote.)
Didn't Martin mention in an interview or other event that we would eventually learn what happened to Benjen? (Its somewhere in those So Sayeth Martin files that link from Westeros but that shite doesn't really navigate well. Tough to find a particular quote.)
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:42 pm to shinerfan
Isn't there a port on the other side of the wall? Maybe benjen left from there?
Posted on 4/23/13 at 12:44 pm to shinerfan
quote:So Spake Martin. i couldn't find any clues. he just says to keep reading
Didn't Martin mention in an interview or other event that we would eventually learn what happened to Benjen? (Its somewhere in those So Sayeth Martin files that link from Westeros but that shite doesn't really navigate well. Tough to find a particular quote.)
Posted on 4/23/13 at 3:58 pm to shinerfan
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Dying and being raised as a wight might cause some change in appearance but the wights who attacked Mormont were recognized by the men of the Watch. Unless someone has an answer for why Bran doesn't recognize his uncle, I think Benjen=Coldhands is pretty well shot down.
Well Coldhands kept his face covered but I still see absolutely zero evidence pointing to Coldhands=benjen. I do see some evidence against it though
Posted on 4/23/13 at 4:15 pm to CottonWasKing
What ole Georgie kicks the bucket before we get our answers? That would blooooow
Posted on 4/23/13 at 4:16 pm to DMagic
I hope he has a stash of notes for somebody to pick them up or it is going to be a huge troll move
Posted on 4/23/13 at 4:18 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
He's already stated that no one will finish writing his books. It'll be up to HBO to finish the story
Posted on 4/23/13 at 4:20 pm to CottonWasKing
He can't stop me
Posted on 4/23/13 at 5:32 pm to manwich
If he does die, somebody from here needs to pick it up and use at least a theory from each of the posters in here and cite
Posted on 4/23/13 at 6:58 pm to manwich
quote:
He can't stop me
Only Rafa Martinez can.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:16 pm to DMagic
I am just as worried about the Dunk and Egg narrative eating into the conclusion of ASOIAF.
Don't get me wrong, I just finished the three Dunk and Egg tales and thoroughly enjoyed them. Those are now two of my favorite characters in the history of Westeros.
However, Martin is on record as saying he wants to write at least 10 more of the novellas. I am hoping that he isn't going to be using them to further help set up where he is headed with ASOIAF...
Don't get me wrong, I just finished the three Dunk and Egg tales and thoroughly enjoyed them. Those are now two of my favorite characters in the history of Westeros.
However, Martin is on record as saying he wants to write at least 10 more of the novellas. I am hoping that he isn't going to be using them to further help set up where he is headed with ASOIAF...
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:28 pm to lakeviewtiger
Okay, got a good chunk of this thread read today.
Here are the theories from page 163-200:
Loras will kill Tommen (164)
Margery will kill Tommen (164)
Loras isn't at Dragonstone, but heading towards Aegon to arrange a marriage with Margery (166)
Stannis will burn Ramsey to death (166)
Dany's betrayal for love will be Barriston joining Septa Lemore/Ashara Dayne (166)
Aegon may marry both Dany and Margery as the original Aegon the Conqueror had 2 wives as well (166)
Littlefinger will march North with the Vale and surrendered Riverlands army under the pretext of facing off against Stannis but will instead destroy the Freys and then reveal Sansa as the Queen in the North (166)
Ramsey was an Other the whole time and Tyrion is pregnant with Varys' evil twin's child (166) [and now ASOIAF is a soap]
Jon Connington will reveal that Varys was the one who had sewn dissent between Rhaegar and Aerys; Dany will attempt to kill him with Drogon's flames but the fire will not kill him revealing him as a Blackfyre (167)
Stannis will stab Selyse in front of Mel trying to prove he really is AA...fail (169)
Aegon will be the last king of the Seven Kingdoms; will be aided by the Septa and Faith Militia (172)
Tyrion and the Second Sons will take Casterly Rock utilizing the drainage system (173)
Gendry may inherit Storm's end after Stannis' death? (173)
Varys riddle about the priest, king, and rich man is actually foreshadowing the three reasons people will love Aegon (175)
After Jon's death, the wildlings burn his body so he doesn't become an Other, but he doesn't burn in the flame, he is reborn as AA (177)
Valyrians never attacked Westeros because they feared the abilities of the wargs/CoTF possibly manipulating their dragons (188)
The COTF in a last ditch effort to drive back the Andals sailed to Valyria and attempted to warg into the dragons, but found them hard to control and led to the destruction of Valyria (188)
Jon is reborn as an Other to fulfill the House of the Undying prophecy of a "blue eyed king who cast no shadow raises a red sword in his hand" (189) [I thought it was an obvious reference to Stannis]
The House of the Undying prophecy about the beautiful woman being ravished by 4 dwarves refers to the 4 kings [Baratheon, Greyjoy, Lannister/Baratheon, Stark] destroying the realm of Westeros (190)
The House of the Undying prophecy about the corpse on the ship with bright eyes and a grey smile refers to either Victarion, Theon, or Euron (190)
The HotU prophecy about the great stone beast rising from a smoking tower refers to either Jon Snow or Jon Connington (190)
The HotU prophecy about the 4 dwarves and the woman refer to the manipulators [Tyrion, Ilyrio, Varys, and Littlefinger] (190)
Stannis is the Anti-AA. His actions open the door for an Other invasion, not prevent it. (191)
Stannis dies trying to kill Melisandre after she reveals that Jon is AA, not him (192)
Tywin is one of the orchestrators of the Purple Wedding. He used it as a way to get rid of Tyrion without resorting to kinslaying and got rid of Joffrey who needed a "sharp lesson". The aftermath would have left an easily manipulated Tommen on the throne (192)
Stannis isn't actually honorable at all. He is being controlled by a darkness that every honorable character is leery of. He will do anything to win regardless of whether his actions are honorable (192)
Stannis tried being honorable but got crapped on by life-shunned twice by Robert[Storm's End and King's Hand], ill wife, greyscale daughter, etc so he gave up on being honorable (192)
Littlefinger intercepted a letter from Lyana to her family that explained her love and intent to marry Rhaegar and spread rumors of Rhaegar kidnapping her. Brandon's death=Unwed Cat and a chance for him to marry her. [Basically he started 2 wars for Cat now ](194)
Others are actually the good guys (194)
The mother of Tyrion, Dany, and Jon Snow all died while giving birth to them. Coincidence or Destiny? (195)
Having read 4,000 posts of this thread now...wow!
Cotton and Bluegrass and everyone else involved: This really is a great thread.
Here are the theories from page 163-200:
Loras will kill Tommen (164)
Margery will kill Tommen (164)
Loras isn't at Dragonstone, but heading towards Aegon to arrange a marriage with Margery (166)
Stannis will burn Ramsey to death (166)
Dany's betrayal for love will be Barriston joining Septa Lemore/Ashara Dayne (166)
Aegon may marry both Dany and Margery as the original Aegon the Conqueror had 2 wives as well (166)
Littlefinger will march North with the Vale and surrendered Riverlands army under the pretext of facing off against Stannis but will instead destroy the Freys and then reveal Sansa as the Queen in the North (166)
Ramsey was an Other the whole time and Tyrion is pregnant with Varys' evil twin's child (166) [and now ASOIAF is a soap]
Jon Connington will reveal that Varys was the one who had sewn dissent between Rhaegar and Aerys; Dany will attempt to kill him with Drogon's flames but the fire will not kill him revealing him as a Blackfyre (167)
Stannis will stab Selyse in front of Mel trying to prove he really is AA...fail (169)
Aegon will be the last king of the Seven Kingdoms; will be aided by the Septa and Faith Militia (172)
Tyrion and the Second Sons will take Casterly Rock utilizing the drainage system (173)
Gendry may inherit Storm's end after Stannis' death? (173)
Varys riddle about the priest, king, and rich man is actually foreshadowing the three reasons people will love Aegon (175)
After Jon's death, the wildlings burn his body so he doesn't become an Other, but he doesn't burn in the flame, he is reborn as AA (177)
Valyrians never attacked Westeros because they feared the abilities of the wargs/CoTF possibly manipulating their dragons (188)
The COTF in a last ditch effort to drive back the Andals sailed to Valyria and attempted to warg into the dragons, but found them hard to control and led to the destruction of Valyria (188)
Jon is reborn as an Other to fulfill the House of the Undying prophecy of a "blue eyed king who cast no shadow raises a red sword in his hand" (189) [I thought it was an obvious reference to Stannis]
The House of the Undying prophecy about the beautiful woman being ravished by 4 dwarves refers to the 4 kings [Baratheon, Greyjoy, Lannister/Baratheon, Stark] destroying the realm of Westeros (190)
The House of the Undying prophecy about the corpse on the ship with bright eyes and a grey smile refers to either Victarion, Theon, or Euron (190)
The HotU prophecy about the great stone beast rising from a smoking tower refers to either Jon Snow or Jon Connington (190)
The HotU prophecy about the 4 dwarves and the woman refer to the manipulators [Tyrion, Ilyrio, Varys, and Littlefinger] (190)
Stannis is the Anti-AA. His actions open the door for an Other invasion, not prevent it. (191)
Stannis dies trying to kill Melisandre after she reveals that Jon is AA, not him (192)
Tywin is one of the orchestrators of the Purple Wedding. He used it as a way to get rid of Tyrion without resorting to kinslaying and got rid of Joffrey who needed a "sharp lesson". The aftermath would have left an easily manipulated Tommen on the throne (192)
Stannis isn't actually honorable at all. He is being controlled by a darkness that every honorable character is leery of. He will do anything to win regardless of whether his actions are honorable (192)
Stannis tried being honorable but got crapped on by life-shunned twice by Robert[Storm's End and King's Hand], ill wife, greyscale daughter, etc so he gave up on being honorable (192)
Littlefinger intercepted a letter from Lyana to her family that explained her love and intent to marry Rhaegar and spread rumors of Rhaegar kidnapping her. Brandon's death=Unwed Cat and a chance for him to marry her. [Basically he started 2 wars for Cat now ](194)
Others are actually the good guys (194)
The mother of Tyrion, Dany, and Jon Snow all died while giving birth to them. Coincidence or Destiny? (195)
Having read 4,000 posts of this thread now...wow!
Cotton and Bluegrass and everyone else involved: This really is a great thread.
This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:35 pm to saintsfan92612
quote:
Cotton and Bluegrass and everyone else involved: This really is a great thread.
It is unreal. Thanks for all of your diligent work.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:46 pm to BleedPurpleGold
WTF? Why did they let you keep the book reader star of david avy?
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:52 pm to Cosmo
I have no idea. They took it down from yours? I literally copied and pasted the URL from your own.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 10:10 pm to BleedPurpleGold
assholes they are
Posted on 4/23/13 at 10:36 pm to Cosmo
the answer is pretty obvious once you look at your collective post histories. There are no mods on the soccer board or this board while there are tons on the OT, MSB, and other such boards that Cosmo posted on recently
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