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re: Update: 'The Marvels' discussion thread. It Ends as Lowest-Grossing MCU film
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:36 pm to AUCom96
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:36 pm to AUCom96
quote:Yeah, and it was great. I loved it, and I actually like the tie-in to Top Gun.quote:
Similarly, I like Top Gun Maverick, but I don't want 20 movies detailing our war with a make-believe country, the political fallout from that war, new alliances with and against that non-existent country, etc.
That was just the backdrop of Top Gun: Maverick.
It was a story about a known hero struggling with age, continued grief over the death of his best friend, his estranged relationship with that friend's son, the sudden loss of another friend and loneliness in the face of trying to overcome his own ego to teach younger, similarly cocky pilots. It has great stunts, but it's a character story.
I still don't want 15-20 movies between the two, and more following this going forward (maybe one, but not a dozen following Maverick's ultimate rise to the Pentagon, for example).
Iron Man was a fantastic mix of Downey's charisma mixing with Stark's genius and innovation, but by the time we pushed through to Avengers Infinity War and Endgame, that tale was done. As was Captain America's. They achieved their goal of saving the world.
At that point, the world is forever changed and "not us" anymore, and you lose the initial magic of a superhero coming out of nowhere to save us. And also, further crises either diminish the accomplishment that Tony sacrificed himself for, or seem trivial in comparison. Either way- the MCU is finished, just write "The End" and let it be. It was a great run, and you only hurt the overall product going forward by making more IN THAT UNIVERSE.
Now that doesn't apply to Star Wars, there WERE fertile fields still present. We see that with Mandalorian and Ahsoka. The problem there is that Disney, in their infinite wisdom , capped it. They made a trilogy set 20 some-odd years ahead, that removes all the drama and intrigue from this generation of stories. You KNOW the New Republic fails, the only unanswered questions are what happened to the current heroes that keep them out of the trilogy. It sucks that the trilogy was bad and very unsatisfying, but even if it were good you'd still be losing a lot of the drama. It's like skipping ahead to the end of the book, we know the ending.
It was an incredibly stupid BUSINESS move which would always limit the profits of further tales, and in this case it's the worst-case scenario: we hate the ending, so why bother with the rest? Just so unnecessary
Posted on 10/14/23 at 3:09 pm to SaintEB
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They had Disneyed the Marvel franchise and have lost their base. They pushed one way with their thought process and we pushed the other way with our money. It will take longer for them to get it back than it was for them to ruin it.
Can you explain what you mean?
I would say the culprit is that they're producing far too much content and relying on TV shows to fill in gaps.
As someone who's into Marvel, I can't keep up with the content.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 3:16 pm to Proximo
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Oh really? How do you explain the force is female and kathleen Kennedy?
Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of Lucasfilm but that doesn't make Star Wars a concept that appeals to women or a concept that was created by women.
And neither does The Marvels. Marvel is not something that appeals to women on the whole - making it women-focused isn't going to attract women and it probably turns off some men.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:48 am to saints5021
Why is anyone surprised by this! Disney brought back Iger thinking he would save it but originally he simply bought his way to success and ruined everything he touched. Marvel is now crap, Pixar is now crap, Lucas Film is now crap, and 20th Century Fox is now crap. He also managed to screw up the parks as well. The only thing of note he succeeded at was the cruise ships.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:12 am to Roaad
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Kamala was great
The actress nailed it.
The show no one watched on streaming, then fewer watched when it aired on the free channel?
I've no doubt the actress is likely going to be the brightest star of the 3 'Marvels'. But the story is a hot mess. No one really knows these characters or cares about them. What's the motivation for getting into their story?
The PLAN was to shoehorn Brie Larson into the MCU and anoint her as the new hotness. This was a massive miscalculation based on the numbers from Captain Marvel and before anyone knew that Brie was an annoying plank of wood. This was SUPPOSED to be her movie. Then the studio tried to course correct by diversifying it up with not 1 but 2 WOC 'allies' for Captain Marvel.
And the big bad in this movie? Looks to be yet another WOC with a shiny grill that's supposed to be Ronan the Accuser in drag or something.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 12:58 pm to Pauldingtiger
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At one point Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Spider-Man were set up as the new faces of the MCU:
"[Chadwick Boseman] told me the story about how on the set of Endgame, he and Brie Larson and Tom Holland sat around and talked about how they were the future of Marvel and how exciting that was for them.
[Then] you look at the breakdown between the Sony-Marvel deal over Spider-Man,…you look at Chad Boseman passing away, and you look at Brie Larson either not being a great fit or just, you know, being damaged by toxic fandom…so many factors… came into play that sort of knocked their plan out under them.”
— Joanna Robinson, the writer of ‘MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios’
Posted on 10/15/23 at 3:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
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you look at Brie Larson either not being a great fit or just, you know, being damaged by toxic fandom
“Toxic fandom” = “People weren’t buying what they were selling.”
Posted on 10/15/23 at 3:12 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
From what has been said, Marvel Studios had HUGE plans for Captain Marvel and they repeatedly shite the bed.
Secret Invasion was basically a Captain Marvel 2 script that got retasked into a show.
The Marvels has been getting reworked heavily for months now.
The Captain Marvel experiment is a failure and Disney wants to blame “toxic fandom” and not them misreading the audience.
Secret Invasion was basically a Captain Marvel 2 script that got retasked into a show.
The Marvels has been getting reworked heavily for months now.
The Captain Marvel experiment is a failure and Disney wants to blame “toxic fandom” and not them misreading the audience.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:23 pm to teke184
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From what has been said, Marvel Studios had HUGE plans for Captain Marvel and they repeatedly shite the bed.
Saying her Marvel movie wasn't for some fans was the single worst misstep an actor could have made.
She was supposed to become one of the most popular superheroes Marvel had post Endgame.
Now Marvel's better off killing Brie with a new Rogue and using that to catapult the Xmen relaunch
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:43 pm to RLDSC FAN
This is the one with the vagina / butthole movie poster, right?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:24 pm to bad93ex
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Unless the movie is an absolute AAA banger why not just wait until it hits Disney+?
The main reason to see these was the connection to the overall storyline. Does anyone even know what that is right now?
Add on to that that everyone movie is about girl power now and I just don't know who they think their target audience is.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:35 pm to imjustafatkid
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Add on to that that everyone movie is about girl power now and I just don't know who they think their target audience is.
My assumption is their marketing team is banking on the concept that there is nothing they can do to lose the original core audience; therefore, they are trying to completely cater to another target audience to expand.
It is a bold strategy and I think it has already proven to be a bad one with the results from the Star Wars 8 and 9 along with the more recent Marvel films.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:37 pm to teke184
Curious how it’s always the fans at fault, and never the studio.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 10:41 pm to molsusports
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Now Marvel's better off killing Brie with a new Rogue and using that to catapult the Xmen relaunch
Oh man I'd preorder tickets for everyone on my street for this.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:39 am to SouthEasternKaiju
The studio heads and writers think they are artistes and whatever shite they churn out is just not understood by the audience / ahead of its time.
I think Roger Ebert put it best in taking the piss out of Freddy Got Fingered by saying it may become a surrealist masterpiece down the road but it will never be a good film.
I think Roger Ebert put it best in taking the piss out of Freddy Got Fingered by saying it may become a surrealist masterpiece down the road but it will never be a good film.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:46 am to teke184
I think the single biggest problem isn’t even the writing or Larsen… it is that the character being a cosmic level hero makes it very hard for her to be written in a way for people to give a shite about her.
She is too powerful to be an Earth based hero and it is hard to write good stories where she feels in danger without either constantly topping themselves on villains, which isn’t sustainable, or writing her to be weak inexplicably, which isn’t good either.
It was just a bad path to go down unless they wanted to go whole hog into cosmic Marvel with her, Guardians, Nova, etc. and do Annihilation, Annihilation Conquest, War of Kings, etc.
She is too powerful to be an Earth based hero and it is hard to write good stories where she feels in danger without either constantly topping themselves on villains, which isn’t sustainable, or writing her to be weak inexplicably, which isn’t good either.
It was just a bad path to go down unless they wanted to go whole hog into cosmic Marvel with her, Guardians, Nova, etc. and do Annihilation, Annihilation Conquest, War of Kings, etc.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:51 am to RLDSC FAN
Gasp!!!
The future is female though
The future is female though
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:27 am to TigerFanatic99
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This is the one with the vagina / butthole movie poster, right?
Had not heard this before but...Kamala in the pink and Brie in the stink...I see it now:
Posted on 11/3/23 at 9:00 am to RLDSC FAN
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42 percent behind Eternals.
Terrible news.
That means 42% fewer lives will be saved!
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