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re: LSU's new permanent East opponent: South Carolina?
Posted on 10/18/11 at 10:43 am to Nuts4LSU
Posted on 10/18/11 at 10:43 am to Nuts4LSU
I fail to see why Missouri makes any more sense in the West anyway. It sucks (right now) for balance I guess, but that stuff changes quickly. Missouri (the state) shares a border with Tennessee and Kentucky, and the heart of their alumni base in St. Louis is closer to the northern east teams than pretty much every other alumni center in the West besides Little Rock. Missouri in the East with Arkansas as rival makes more geographic sense once you get past the general terms "west" and "east"
Posted on 10/18/11 at 10:46 am to Rouge
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forget this crap
time for the SEC league office to stop bowing down to Alabama and Auburn
get rid of the permanents entirely and freaking DEAL WITH IT
Yep, that's the bottom line. With conference alignments, you have make a choice between tradition (staying at 12 teams) and money (expanding). It's apparent that we've made that choice, for better or for worse. Now, we have to live with the choice we've made and deal with it. The childish insistence of a few schools on having their cake and eating it too simply has no place in this process.
If Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia were so dead-set on playing each other every year, then the time to assert that was when A&M wanted in. They should have voted against inviting A&M if they wanted to preserve tradition. When they voted for A&M, they voted against tradition, and it's too late to change their votes now.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 10:49 am to Chicken
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All the other 10 teams will have six division games and two rotating games.
Could this work?
I'm sure there's a way to do it mathematically, but then other teams would have to wait through a 12-year rotation to play those four, so we'd only get Tennessee and Georgia twice every 12 years instead of twice every seven years, as we would without permanent interdivisional opponents.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 10:55 am to Nuts4LSU
If Alabama and Auburn just have to have their games against Tennessee and Georgia, then move them both to the east and move Vandy west and have UT and Vandy be permanent.
of course, then there would be some other problem.
Mizzou in the east makes no sense at all
I would hate to lose our annual game against Florida
of course, then there would be some other problem.
Mizzou in the east makes no sense at all
I would hate to lose our annual game against Florida
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 10:57 am
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:01 am to Indiana Tiger
A 9 game conference schedule guarantees 7 conference members a loss on their season's record. This could lose the conference million's of dollars in bowl payouts in the end.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:02 am to Monticello
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Finally an LSU fan with some balls that does not bitch about having to play a Big 6 team from the opposite division like all the other Big 6 teams have to.
I would bet that if LSU's fanbase were polled on who we'd like to have as an annual opponent from the East, 80% would vote for Florida.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:08 am to Monticello
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Actually it is not. Perma games where each Big 6 team (the only 6 teams to win the SEC since expansion) has to play at least 1 Big 6 team from the opposite division ensures parity
It also puts non-annual cross-divisional rivals basically in separate conferences.
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I can only imagine how much LSU fans would bitch about Birmingham if that happened
I'd be more likely to bitch, as I have done in the past, about never getting to play some of the East teams. I have been a fan of an SEC team from 1971 through today, yet I never got to see my team face Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson or Peyton Manning, three of the best players to come through this conference in a generation. That is directly attributable to the idiotic scheduling formats of the past that had four teams rotating through a single schedule slot in order to preserve traditional rivalries.
Now, they want to switch that to six teams rotating through one slot. You could take your kid to his first LSU football game against Georgia when he's in first grade, then you could take him to the next LSU-Georgia game when he graduates from high school. By the time he witnessed five LSU-Georgia games in Tiger Stadium, he'd be collecting Social Security. Ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:10 am to JJxvi
A&M and SC have never played each other.
Suddenly rivals.
Suddenly rivals.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:11 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:Mizzou to the SEC makes no sense at all
Mizzou in the east makes no sense at all
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:15 am to Rouge
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forget this crap
time for the SEC league office to stop bowing down to Alabama and Auburn
get rid of the permanents entirely and freaking DEAL WITH IT
yea, it seems like lsu just gets whoever is left over after all the fricking hillbillies and gumps quit whining. lsu giving up florida is a real shame; one of the best games ever and a hell of a lot more interesting than fricking bama vs tennessee.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:16 am to ACT
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So our path should become more difficult because other teams don't understand history?
No, your path should become more difficult because you don't understand it's not 1970 any more.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:25 am to ohiovol
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I'd prefer that to not playing at all, but that would certainly cheapen the rivalry. It would be one thing if they were in different conferences, but them doing it while being in the same conference makes it seem like a televised practice
I disagree. For the last 20 years, you haven't been in the same division anyway, so it's not the same as a traditional conference game. The only thing that makes a conference game between rivals more significant is that you're in a race against each other and beating them not only gives you bragging rights but a step up in the race. In different divisions, that's not a factor. You can lose that game and still win your division with an inferior record to the rival, or win it and your opponent can still win its division with a record inferior to yours.
And it's not like playing SEC opponents in designated non-conference games is unprecedented. Alabama and Ole Miss back in the 1970s played each other in at least one game (maybe more) that did not count in SEC standings.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:28 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone would favor BOTH an 8 game conference slate AND a permanent opponent. Is there any point to being in the same conference with 6 teams whom you will only meet in the regular season twice in 12 years?
Exactly. If we're going to do that, and especially if we're moving on up to 16 teams soon, then we might as well just break into two conferences. It would be bad enough only getting to play Georgia, Tennessee, etc. twice every six years, but twice every 12 years would just be ridiculous.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:30 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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I've brought the following scenario up before...if the rivalry games are the be all end all and a 9 game conference slate is out of the question...do the following assuming 14 teams:
No divisions
3 permananent opponents (it's up to the schools to hash all that out...some (Bama-UT) will be obvious...the others will have to be worked out.
Rotate 5 and 5 every two years
Top two teams play for the SEC title
You have the rivalry games, the 8 game schedule, and within a 4 year period, you've played every team in the conference...plus you get the true top two teams playing for the conference title, instead of a possible unbeaten team from one division playing a 3 loss team from the other.
This makes the most logical sense (reason #1 why it will never be done), but might conflict with NCAA rules that only allow a conference championship game if the conference has two divisions playing a round-robin schedule. Of course, we could probably get the NCAA to amend the rule to allow this scenario.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:37 am to hoginthesw
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Idgaf what happens to the rest as long as we get Mizzou and on turkey day weekend, and the lsu game is moved to Fayetteville
WTF is wrong with hog fans, keep LSU thanksgiving weekend. I have no problem moving it to Fayetteville but why take an important national audience game and replace it with fricking mizzou. I just don't get it.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:44 am to justafarmer
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A 9 game conference schedule guarantees 7 conference members a loss on their season's record. This could lose the conference million's of dollars in bowl payouts in the end.
Yes, you'd have to win all three of your OOC games, then go 3-6 or better in SEC play to be bowl eligible. We probably would have fewer bowl eligible teams on average than we do now. Of course, the bowls that we'd be unable to fill are the low-end bowls that don't pay out all that much beyond the expenses of the team playing in them, so it wouldn't mean all that much lost revenue. On the other hand, a 9th conference game would produce a lot more attractive matchups for TV, likely increasing those revenues by much more than the bowl payouts we'd lose.
The Pac 10 played a 9-game schedule, and the Big XII is playing one this year, and they both seem to get a strength of schedule boost in the computers for it, so it's doable.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:10 pm to JPLSU1981
It would certainly speed up spurrier's retirement process...
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:13 pm to Rouge
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forget this crap
time for the SEC league office to stop bowing down to Alabama and Auburn
get rid of the permanents entirely and freaking DEAL WITH IT
lolumad
you'd understand if yall had a rival
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:23 pm to TigerCorp
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The Bama posters on here are a bunch of self-righteous bitches.
They do what is best for "Bama"...and expect everyone else to go along. Then they hide behind "history"...as though anyone other than them gives a crap about UT vs Bama.
I'm fine with playing Florida every year. We owe them some arse kickings from the Spurrier days. Gump fans saying that LSU fans need some historical perspective need to stop being so butthurt about losing a historical rival that NOBODY except the fanbases of Gumps/UT gives a shite about. The damn conference office is in their state, and if the gumps don't notice that their school has more influence than others, then they're just lying to themselves.
eta: I do think that adding Mizzou to the east and letting them play A&M every year while leaving Arky/SC and LSU/UF would be best for the conference. Hopefully this happens and we can be done with it.
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:23 pm to GumBro Jackson
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And geez LSU needs to stop b*tching about playing Florida every year. Not sure what part of "each of the Big Six has a perm cross-division rivalry with another of the Big Six" they don't understand. No, it isn't perfect, but these things are balances of lots of competing interests...
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but that's pretty easy for Auburn and Alabama fans to say when, in the 19+ years of divisional play, UT and UGa have combined to go 8-31 against UF and won fewer eastern division titles combined than UF has won by itself.
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 12:26 pm
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