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Posted on 12/18/07 at 11:36 am to belowpar
If inside promotion then why isn't this person coaching the defense in the MNC game? Just doesn't seem right to me.
Posted on 12/18/07 at 11:44 am to KLSU
BAD NEWS. I'm not saying Mallory is a bad coach. He may be great. But i rather him get his feet wet with a team like Southern Miss or a Georgia Tech before he becomes the LSU DC.
As someone said, just to hire guy so they won't leave is retarded. Especially if you feel the other person is an upgrade.
Tenuta's resume > Mallory's - That's business.
As someone said, just to hire guy so they won't leave is retarded. Especially if you feel the other person is an upgrade.
Tenuta's resume > Mallory's - That's business.
This post was edited on 12/18/07 at 11:44 am
Posted on 12/18/07 at 11:46 am to MS TIGER
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As someone said, just to hire guy so they won't leave is retarded.
It took us all of eight minutes to replace Monken.
Posted on 12/18/07 at 11:55 am to Cash
Hiring Mallory is a RISK...plain and simple. We are one of the highest paying, best jobs for a DC in the country. This isn't a training ground...it is the BIG TIME. Our coordinators go and get the Nebraska job. Our coordinators leave to become the heir apparent at Florida State.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE A RISK! Tenuta is a proven commodity...if he will come we have no excuse in not hiring him. If not him then go steal another big name DC. If he promotes Mallory I predict it will be the first really really huge mistake of his tenure here and he will catch a HUGE AMOUNT of crap for it....and deservedly so.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE A RISK! Tenuta is a proven commodity...if he will come we have no excuse in not hiring him. If not him then go steal another big name DC. If he promotes Mallory I predict it will be the first really really huge mistake of his tenure here and he will catch a HUGE AMOUNT of crap for it....and deservedly so.
Posted on 12/18/07 at 12:18 pm to Tiger4Ever
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I would expect to have seen that when he hired the OC a year ago.
he tried
Posted on 12/18/07 at 12:21 pm to tigersruledude
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Hiring Mallory is a RISK...plain and simple. We are one of the highest paying, best jobs for a DC in the country. This isn't a training ground...it is the BIG TIME. Our coordinators go and get the Nebraska job. Our coordinators leave to become the heir apparent at Florida State.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE A RISK! Tenuta is a proven commodity...if he will come we have no excuse in not hiring him. If not him then go steal another big name DC. If he promotes Mallory I predict it will be the first really really huge mistake of his tenure here and he will catch a HUGE AMOUNT of crap for it....and deservedly so.
amen
Posted on 12/18/07 at 12:34 pm to tigersruledude
Agreed....
Mallory may be great, but Miles needs to hire Tenuta or the like for PR reasons.
The defense it losing a ton next year and will likely take a step back. If Miles hires Tenuta, LSU fans will more likely blame any deficiencies on the inexperience of the personnel. However, if Mallory is hired, while the inexperience will be mentioned, fans will wonder if Tenuta could have made more of a difference.
Tenuta's a smarter choice here in my opinion.
Mallory may be great, but Miles needs to hire Tenuta or the like for PR reasons.
The defense it losing a ton next year and will likely take a step back. If Miles hires Tenuta, LSU fans will more likely blame any deficiencies on the inexperience of the personnel. However, if Mallory is hired, while the inexperience will be mentioned, fans will wonder if Tenuta could have made more of a difference.
Tenuta's a smarter choice here in my opinion.
Posted on 12/18/07 at 12:51 pm to belowpar
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I'm guessing toward the promotion right now from what I hear
SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP!
Posted on 12/18/07 at 12:53 pm to MetArl15
And why does the fans' opinion matter?
Posted on 12/18/07 at 12:54 pm to MetArl15
This is the same type of shite that got DiNardo in trouble. Remember when Morris Watts left and instead of bringing in a proven offensive coordinator, he promoted Bob McConnell because he "didn't need one of these so-called offensive genius' " coming in and running the show? Bring in Tenuta...period.
Posted on 12/18/07 at 12:56 pm to philter
If you are insinuating that he tried to hire Monken and was not allowed, you are crazy. He wanted to hire Crowton when he was originally hired, but was talked into keeping Fisher.
You guys don't know anything about Tenuta except what you read on the internet. I would bet none of you have seen more than 1 or 2 Ga. Tech games all year (and they probably lost that one). I would have no problem hiring Tenuta, but Miles has to make the best fit for chemistry in the locker room, coaching ability, recruiting, etc. To say you can just hire any coach and plug them into any situation is wrong. Tenuta may not be a good fit.
You guys don't know anything about Tenuta except what you read on the internet. I would bet none of you have seen more than 1 or 2 Ga. Tech games all year (and they probably lost that one). I would have no problem hiring Tenuta, but Miles has to make the best fit for chemistry in the locker room, coaching ability, recruiting, etc. To say you can just hire any coach and plug them into any situation is wrong. Tenuta may not be a good fit.
Posted on 12/18/07 at 1:06 pm to Bubba Hotep
At LSU, we don't have to "take a gamble" on an unproven coordinator, simple as that. Honestly, I don't think Miles has made a decision one way or another on this issue yet, but I will be very disappointed if his final decision is to promote from within.
Like many others have stated, this is not a knock on Mallory - he may very well be a very successful coordinator in the future. Nonetheless, he's going to have to prove himself as a coordinator somewhere else before being given the car keys to one of the most important assistant coaching positions in college football, the defensive coordinator spot at LSU.
I trust in Miles and will support whomever he gives the position to, but would have serious concerns and defensive worries as an LSU fan if it was indeed a hire from within.
Like many others have stated, this is not a knock on Mallory - he may very well be a very successful coordinator in the future. Nonetheless, he's going to have to prove himself as a coordinator somewhere else before being given the car keys to one of the most important assistant coaching positions in college football, the defensive coordinator spot at LSU.
I trust in Miles and will support whomever he gives the position to, but would have serious concerns and defensive worries as an LSU fan if it was indeed a hire from within.
This post was edited on 12/18/07 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 12/18/07 at 1:38 pm to JPLSU1981
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Nonetheless, he's going to have to prove himself as a coordinator somewhere else before being given the car keys to one of the most important assistant coaching positions in college football, the defensive coordinator spot at LSU.
You act like you'll be consulted on the hire. Self-important very much?
Posted on 12/18/07 at 1:57 pm to Bubba Hotep
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And why does the fans' opinion matter?
Maybe because the fans pay the bills?
Posted on 12/18/07 at 2:02 pm to JPLSU1981
Let's get some things straight:
1) Crappunt - We were told that it didn't matter that nearly every punt got blocked (and 1 did vs. UF last year) because the crappunt was better for COVERAGE. However, our COVERAGE has been ATROCIOUS this season w/ 2 being returned for TDs. Both of our coverage teams were HORRIBLE this season.
2) Tenuta is probably a MUCH better option than Mallory. But, that assumes Tenuta is WILLING to come. He is an extremely aggressive DC (I know because I watch a lot of Tech's games and am a fan of their team). A return to the Saban/Muschamp era and the first year of Pellini's reign.
As far as Tenuta being willing to take the job here, it IS true that we pay our coordinators better than most if not every program. However, one has to wonder about the level of freedom the coordinators are given here. Fisher's offense was severely limited after Miles' arrival (a whole package of plays were seldom, if ever, heard from again). Pellini's D was not nearly aggressive this season as his first here or as his time at OU and Nebraska. And Crowton's offense was not nearly as wide-open as it was last year at Oregon. Maybe you can chalk that up to first year under a new system, but we'll see.
3. This team, at some point, needs some type of continuity. If every coordinator stays for 2 seasons and bolts for a HC position, it will begin to show. On the otherhand, it shows that we have the (or among the) best OCs/DCs and becomes attractive to the next guy trying to make that leap.
Let's look at an example: the pre-snap penalties. Even Doucet, a veteran leader, has had plenty of trouble lining up correctly this year. I heard some tard on the Jordy and the Other Guy show the other morning call in and say Early should know better; he is a senior. While this is probably true, it is his FIRST year with a new OC, new terminology, new formations, etc. Just like any freshman. If we keep forcing our guys to have to learn a new system every few years, although it may not HURT us, it cannot possibly be the PRIME situation.
It also hurts the coach's ability for personnel management. It is pretty clear that GC is still BECOMING familiar with the strengths/weaknesses of each RB. It takes some time to keep getting used to new players just like it takes time for the players to adjust to new systems.
So, continuity and familiarity w/ the program could be looked at as definite advantages for the next DC.
While Tenuta is still my favorite, I refuse to AUTOMATICALLY discount Mallory as a viable choice. I won't ASSUME that Mallory = Tepper or McConnell. However, my only problem w/ Coach is his reluctance to learn from mistakes and make necessary changes. I would fear that a wrong choice would not be easily or quickly corrected.
1) Crappunt - We were told that it didn't matter that nearly every punt got blocked (and 1 did vs. UF last year) because the crappunt was better for COVERAGE. However, our COVERAGE has been ATROCIOUS this season w/ 2 being returned for TDs. Both of our coverage teams were HORRIBLE this season.
2) Tenuta is probably a MUCH better option than Mallory. But, that assumes Tenuta is WILLING to come. He is an extremely aggressive DC (I know because I watch a lot of Tech's games and am a fan of their team). A return to the Saban/Muschamp era and the first year of Pellini's reign.
As far as Tenuta being willing to take the job here, it IS true that we pay our coordinators better than most if not every program. However, one has to wonder about the level of freedom the coordinators are given here. Fisher's offense was severely limited after Miles' arrival (a whole package of plays were seldom, if ever, heard from again). Pellini's D was not nearly aggressive this season as his first here or as his time at OU and Nebraska. And Crowton's offense was not nearly as wide-open as it was last year at Oregon. Maybe you can chalk that up to first year under a new system, but we'll see.
3. This team, at some point, needs some type of continuity. If every coordinator stays for 2 seasons and bolts for a HC position, it will begin to show. On the otherhand, it shows that we have the (or among the) best OCs/DCs and becomes attractive to the next guy trying to make that leap.
Let's look at an example: the pre-snap penalties. Even Doucet, a veteran leader, has had plenty of trouble lining up correctly this year. I heard some tard on the Jordy and the Other Guy show the other morning call in and say Early should know better; he is a senior. While this is probably true, it is his FIRST year with a new OC, new terminology, new formations, etc. Just like any freshman. If we keep forcing our guys to have to learn a new system every few years, although it may not HURT us, it cannot possibly be the PRIME situation.
It also hurts the coach's ability for personnel management. It is pretty clear that GC is still BECOMING familiar with the strengths/weaknesses of each RB. It takes some time to keep getting used to new players just like it takes time for the players to adjust to new systems.
So, continuity and familiarity w/ the program could be looked at as definite advantages for the next DC.
While Tenuta is still my favorite, I refuse to AUTOMATICALLY discount Mallory as a viable choice. I won't ASSUME that Mallory = Tepper or McConnell. However, my only problem w/ Coach is his reluctance to learn from mistakes and make necessary changes. I would fear that a wrong choice would not be easily or quickly corrected.
Posted on 12/18/07 at 2:38 pm to Bubba Hotep
thought better of it...
This post was edited on 12/18/07 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 12/18/07 at 3:09 pm to philter
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forced to keep Jimbo
Don't believe it.
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happy to hire Crowton (his first choice in 2005) when it was stressed upon him again last year.
Ditto
I don't know of anyone in a position of power at LSU that would be forcing Miles' hand on coaching hires. Nothing I have seen from Miles' personality leads me believe he would bow down to that pressure.
I'll file this under: "repeated enough on the internet that it becomes accepted truth."
I'll file it next to: "Pellini doesn't like to recruit."
Posted on 12/18/07 at 3:13 pm to Bubba Hotep
it really doesn't matter if you believe it or not, or whether I do - I'll file this under "people looking the other way when info is presented"
Posted on 12/18/07 at 3:21 pm to TheFranchise
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1) Crappunt - We were told that it didn't matter that nearly every punt got blocked (and 1 did vs. UF last year) because the crappunt was better for COVERAGE. However, our COVERAGE has been ATROCIOUS this season w/ 2 being returned for TDs. Both of our coverage teams were HORRIBLE this season.
I've never seen this formation described as a better coverage type of formation. I don't know how that is possible with three players being further back from the line of scrimmage than normal. This formation is from punt protection only and has worked great. Our punter was all SEC and may have won the SECCG for us. It is misleading how close the defense gets to blocking a punt. Because of the wide angle, they can rarely get there. Yes, we had a block against Florida. Most teams would take one punt block in two seasons any day of the week.
Also, now your saying Miles is meddling in the defense and holding Pellini back? That's crap. Bo had to make adjustments/changes to cover up for injuries and slow safeties. Thus, we were less aggressive this year.
We've lost two coordinators in three years, both basically to head coaching positions at historic national powers. You think that reflects bad one Miles and is an omen of things to come. Get real. That is nothing a magnet to future coaches.
Blaming Crowton on Doucet (a senior) lining up wrong? Now you're reaching.
After reading your post, YOU need to get some things straight.
(By the way, I will happily accept whoever Miles hires. He has done nothing to show that he is not an excellent judge of talent, on the field and in the coaching booth)
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