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re: Hanny said Aranda will be a head coach by 2018
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:50 am to Hook Em Horns
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:50 am to Hook Em Horns
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Example, the texas longhorns
um, actually thats us with Miles..
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:52 am to BilJ
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It's more about effort than anything
sorry Bill but you are so wrong. Recruiting is sales and sales is not just effort. I hire sales people, trust me not any hard working person can be a great/good sales person.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:53 am to Hook Em Horns
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yes because defensive coordinators make great headcoaches. signed, Will Muschamp& Charlie Strong
So horrible. There are too many examples of former DCs that have gone on to become legendary coaches.
You didn't think this one through. It's ok to walk it back.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 9:54 am
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:53 am to PennyPacker
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so you are sticking with the bet? Herman to LSU right?
Im sticking with both bets I have made with many of my clients.. I have 3-1 odds that LSU wins out (Regular season) because I know Orgeron will energize them and take alot of chances because he has nothing to lose. (Also has one of the top teams in America at his disposal...
I also am sticking with my bet that Herman will be LSU's next head coach.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:56 am to Goldrush25
quote:examples of coordinators that have flamed out as a head coach are legion.
There are too many examples of former DCs that have gone on to become legendary coaches.
you didn't think this one through. it's okay to walk it back.
Still waiting on that link where i said O is my #1 choice for head coach BTW.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:57 am to drexyl
Give Aranda the job. Coach O to DC. Lane Kiffin to OC.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:58 am to TigerFan55555
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TigerFan55555
sounds good. Just checking to see if your confidence in your source is weakening. 
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:59 am to OchoDedos
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does anyone remember Mike Archer?...young up and coming DC without any HC experience...that worked out well
For the love of God, will you idiots quit looking for some kind of magic formula? We could sit here all fricking day and go tit for tat on examples that did or did not work out, like Bob Stoops for example.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:01 am to Hook Em Horns
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You have to coach up said talent.
I agree 100%, I was merely pointing out the fact that if he were to not succeed then we can be confident that the next coach wouldn't be left with an empty pantry.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:17 am to drexyl
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Still waiting on that link where i said O is my #1 choice for head coach BTW.
I didn't say you said he's your #1 choice but you do want him. This is your quote.
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people learn from their mistakes and get better - every indication so far is that he has done just that. I would be willing to give him a shot based on what i have seen in his interim stint at USC and what he has done so far at LSU
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:31 am to drexyl
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There are too many examples of former DCs that have gone on to become legendary coaches.
examples of coordinators that have flamed out as a head coach are legion.
It seems to me pretty clear most exceptional head coaches are functionally coordinators in some way. Just look at list of external candidates people would love to have at LSU: Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, Chip, Fisher, Herman, Patterson, Peterson, Petrino. All of these are masters of one side of the ball.
Certainly, outstanding coordinators can fail when they become head coaches... but previously outstanding head coaches also fail when they go to another school. You just don't know who will be the next Carroll, Saban, Meyer, etc so IMO the best you can do is identify the most talented coach who you can get and hire the bugger.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:46 am to molsusports
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It seems to me pretty clear most exceptional head coaches are functionally coordinators in some way. Just look at list of external candidates people would love to have at LSU: Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, Chip, Fisher, Herman, Patterson, Peterson, Petrino. All of these are masters of one side of the ball.
Of course it's clear. The best coaches are not game managers that simply let their coordinators do all of the work for him. Most of the guys above call plays and have had extensive experience doing that. A hands-off coach isn't what is going to beat Saban. Miles had the right idea in having his hand in the gameplan, because that's what HCs are supposed to do. He just sucked at it.
Come to think of it I cannot think of a single d-line coach that went on to do anything special without having become a coordinator in the process. It's a natural part of a coach's maturation process. Certainly the prodigies of the coaching profession have skipped that step but they are few and far between. Is anyone willing to bet that Coach O is one of those prodigies, even when we already saw him fail miserably?
That's what makes the support for Coach O even more perplexing. For as much as they want to say guys like Herman aren't a sure thing, someone like O is even less of a sure thing seeing as no one with his background has done crap as a HC.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:46 am to TigerFan55555
can i get in on the lsu winning out bet?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:52 am to Hook Em Horns
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can i get in on the lsu winning out bet?
Absolutely. I will bet against. How much money will you put up to bet the opposite?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:17 am to Goldrush25
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Aranda is further down on the list for HC but still before Coach O.
I find the arguments of the "anybody but O" crowd are getting logically absurd.
"We must have an offensive genius for our next coach. One with a proven record of winning as head coach at a major program. So, even if Orgeron wins, let's hire Aranda as our HC before O."
Makes sense.
I'm not sure that Orgeron should be our next HC. But, I'm open to the possibility.
One thing I can see in our future for sure if that happens, is a bunch of miserable negatigers working against him his entire tenure, hoping he fails so they can be proven right. The AD's in waiting who occupy this board are plentiful.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:18 am to 1999
why would you assume steve stays as oc? part of hiring O would be that he brings in a high profile oc, not that we pull another stud move.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:29 am to Brageous
The ole miss job was a decade ago. Jesus. Hell Pete Carroll and Bill bellicheck failed at previous stints. Just sayin. O is a different coach after spending years with Pete Carroll. He turned USC around and USC alums still think O should've gotten a chance. I say give O a few years if he fails we still will have talent. Maybe give Aranda a shot if O doesn't get it done?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:32 am to PennyPacker
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Just checking to see if your confidence in your source is weakening.
nope hasnt weakened at all..
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:36 am to Tiger4Liberty
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I find the arguments of the "anybody but O" crowd are getting logically absurd.
"We must have an offensive genius for our next coach. One with a proven record of winning as head coach at a major program. So, even if Orgeron wins, let's hire Aranda as our HC before O."
I don't think you're represented the commonly expressed opinions accurately.
There are some people who want a great offensive mind as the new head coach - these people do not want Aranda as head coach either.
There are some people who want a big name head coach with a proven record of program building and sustained success - those people are generally arguing against Orgeron, Herman, and Aranda.
There are other people who don't want someone unless they are capable of sustaining excellence on at least one side of the ball - those people just don't want Orgeron.
In short, there are a variety of different and independently reasonable explanations for why people might be against Orgeron compared to other plausible alternatives. I, for example, would be very hard to convince Orgeron was a better HC hire than Aranda. But I know some people will disagree. That's fine. I think I could even honestly describe their reasons without building a straw man in the process.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:37 am to Tiger4Liberty
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I find the arguments of the "anybody but O" crowd are getting logically absurd
"We must have an offensive genius for our next coach. One with a proven record of winning as head coach at a major program. So, even if Orgeron wins, let's hire Aranda as our HC before O."
If you're of the belief that what O is doing right now is completely or largely by his own merits and isn't attributable to multiple additional factors, then I could see how you would think that.
I happen to think given how dire the situation was with Miles having reportedly divided the locker room, a number of coaches could've taken over and we still would've seen a re-energized team.
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I'm not sure that Orgeron should be our next HC. But, I'm open to the possibility
I'm not. This is too important of a hire to give the keys to someone that hasn't proven he can handle his own program. Nothing he can do this year can assuage that sentiment for me because this is not his team.
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