re: Hanny said Aranda will be a head coach by 2018

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People on this board have wanted to hire Lame Kiffin and Tom Herman on the spot. That should tell you all you need to know about opinions posted on the Tiger Droppings website.

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Even if you want to say Herman doesn't have enough experience, Lane Kiffin's proven to be a much better HC than Ed Orgeron, that's not debatable. You picked two bad examples there.

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Even if you want to say Herman doesn't have enough experience, Lane Kiffin's proven to be a much better HC than Ed Orgeron, that's not debatable. You picked two bad examples there.

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Not debatable my arse. What you say is just stupid.

Wasn't Coach O the one who took over for him after Kiffin was fired on the tarmac after USC's 62-41 loss to Arizona State?

Lane Freakin Kiffen.

OAK 2007 4 12
OAK 2008 1 3 Fired

2009 Tennessee 7–6 4–4

2010 USC 8–5 5–4
2011 USC 10–2 7–2
2012 USC 7–6 5–4 Preseason #1 ranked team
2013 USC 3–2* 0–2 Fired on the tarmac at 3:14 a.m.

While at Oakland
"On September 15, 2008, NBC Sports reported Davis was unhappy with Kiffin, and intended to fire him as soon as the following Monday or Tuesday. On September 30, 2008, Davis fired Kiffin over the telephone.[10] At the televised news conference announcing the firing, Davis called Kiffin "a flat-out liar" and said he was guilty of "bringing disgrace to the organization"

"Kiffin filed a grievance against the Raiders, claiming that he was fired without cause,[13] but on November 15, 2010, an arbitrator ruled that Davis did indeed have cause to fire Kiffin"

At Tennessee:

"Cable called the timing of Cregg's departure "wrong in the business of coaching" and indicated he had lost respect for Kiffin and planned to confront him about it"

"the season was marred by losses to UCLA, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Ole Miss, as well as a 23-point blow-out loss to Virginia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl. After one season as coach, Kiffin left the Vols during the 2010 recruiting season to accept the head coaching job at the University of Southern California."

"Kiffin's accusations against Meyer were mistaken. Kiffin issued a public apology one day after making the comment."

"told recruit Alshon Jeffery that if Jeffery chose the Gamecocks, "he would end up pumping gas for the rest of his life like all the other players from that state who had gone to South Carolina." Alshon Jeffery went on to sign with the University of South Carolina Gamecocks and became the second round, 45th pick overall in the 2012 NFL Draft being signed by the Chicago Bears, and selected to the 2014 NFL Pro Bowl. Kiffin denied making the statement however the incident was corroborated by Alshon Jeffery's coach Walter Wilson who was listening to Kiffin's remarks on speakerphone."

USC:
"Kiffin for the first time became a voting member of the USA Today Coaches' Poll, but he resigned after just one vote amidst controversy over his preseason selection of USC as No. 1. After being informed that Arizona coach Rich Rodriguez had voted the Trojans as the top team, Kiffin told reporters, "I would not vote USC No. 1, I can tell you that much." However, USA Today, citing the need to "protect the poll's integrity", revealed that Kiffin had voted his team for the top spot. Kiffin apologized and explained that his comments were from the perspective of an opposing coach voting for USC."

"During the 2012 season, Kiffin became the first coach since 1964 to take the pre-season #1 ranked team to unranked by the end of the season."

"The Trojans lost their first two conference games of the 2013 season against Washington State and Arizona State, making Kiffin's record 4-7 in his last eleven games. On September 28, 2013, after the 62 to 41 loss to Arizona State, USC Athletics Director Pat Haden fired Kiffin hours after the game, when the team arrived back in Los Angeles at 3 a.m."

You really think the idiot that belongs to all the shite posted above is a better coach that Ed Orgeron?

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You really think the idiot that belongs to all the shite posted above is a better coach that Ed Orgeron?

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Ed Orgeron

10-25

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If Orgeron takes a team who loved Miles and turns them into winners down this murderous November stretch, he will have exceeded my expectations by a long shot. He will have demonstrated to me that he can take ownership of this team

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Like I said, I believe many coaches could've come in and gotten similar results. Ultimately there's no way to know that so you either believe what you believe or what I believe.

I have to take into account what he did when he had the opportunity to build everything around him. That is what I weigh most. Apparently it's not very important to you.

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I have to take into account what he did when he had the opportunity to build everything around him. That is what I weigh most. Apparently it's not very important to you.

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It is important and something that should be weighed along with all of the other factors. But 10-25 at Ole Miss does not an automatically disqualify O in my opinion.

Other things that, for me, don't automatically disqualify a candidate:

*Losing to Navy and SMU.
*Never having been a Head Coach at a major program.
*Being a Defensive minded coach.
*Kissing players.

The only thing that, in my mind, should automatically disqualify a candidate is if the person has demonstrated that they are of low character. Short term gains, even competing for championships, are not worth tarnishing the long term integrity of the program.

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Lame Kiffin in addition to the shitty record posted above had:

Multiple NCAA violations at Tennessee in only one year. Took a preseason ranked #1 team at USC to a losing record - first coach to achieve that accomplishment since the 1960's. Was proven multiple times to be a bold face liar to his bosses, media and recruits.

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A wise man once said you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Please note i point this out NOT because i want Kiffin as HC, or to trash Coach O but to at least set the record straight because as much as you apparently despise Kiffin, i despise people that need to lie or exaggerate to make their case and distort someone's name in a lame way because you don't like them (pun intented)

Kiffin's record as a HC in college is 35-21 (vs 19-27) He did not have a losing season at USC. The season they started in the top 10 they finished 7-6. The reason they started so high was because he went 10-2 the year before, which means he won just as many games in 1 year at USC as Orgeron won in 3 at Ole Miss. I don't recall anything about recruiting violations at UT but at USC he inherited a team with massive penalties. Since being fired by USC he has been extremely successful as an OC under Nick Saban. Please note the 2 best head coaches that worked for Saban were OC's. Also how has USC fared since he was canned there?

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Lame Kiffin is a piece of shite and a pitiful coach. Ed Orgeron is not a piece of shite

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Define POS? in his past Coach O had to take a leave of absence from coaching due to personal problems, he had a restraining order against him by a woman who alleged he attacked her multiple times. He was also arrested for a bar fight in BR. As a result he had to start over going from Miami, the top program in CFB at the time to Nichols State. I see no arrests or retraining orders when i google Kiffin.

Again, i don't point this out to trash Coach O. You could even say that he turned his life around and learned from his mistakes, that he could do the same as a HC, learning from his terrible tenure at Ole Miss.

Kiffin is easy to dislike. He looks and generally acts like a douche. But that doesn't make him a POS. He wasn't a huge success as a HC, but he wasn't terrible and much, much better than O. He will and should get another shot, probably at a 2nd tier P5 program before moving to a bigger program. Maybe he doesn't do well and is just one of those guys that's a better coordinator, we'll see.

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. Meyer is a better OC than Herman. Etc.

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There are 2 glaring problems here. 1 Meyer was never a coordinator 2 Herman was a successful OC at 3 other schools before being hired by Meyer.

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he's a damn good defensive coordinator - what makes you think he would be a damn good head coach?

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A. We'd always have a top defense.

B. He's incredibly intelligent and has extreme attention to detail. He looks at football like a chess match. That is something we've been missing in Baton Rouge.

C. Players love him and he's a solid recruiter.

D. Other coaches respect the shite out of him and say he's great to work with.



Yes, it'd be a risk, but it would be infinitely better than Orgeron.

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i despise people that need to lie or exaggerate to make their case and distort someone's name in a lame way because you don't like them (pun intented)

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Everything I posted was copied from other reputable sites. If there is a lie included please point it out and the next time I copy and paste for the Kiffin idiots I will leave that part out.

The only part I added was saying he was a piece of shite.

Do you think I typed all of that crap today? That is all from a post back when the idiots wanted to hire Lame right after Les was fired.

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However, 35-21 in college with zero losing seasons does not meet my definition of shitty

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When the original post was made LSU had just fired Les Miles. Compared to what Les did at LSU 35-21 is very shitty for anybody who has followed LSU football. Lame coached USC when they were preseason #1 and just barely escaped with a losing record that year. Shitty? - YES