re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

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We are both gay.

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Funny. They were just talking about that at Oz.

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This whole thread and all yall nerdy fricks that make it great......

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It is quite the read. One day soon I am going to reread the entire thread.

A lot of good discussion and links to cool extras in this thread.

Let's discuss the horns:

Horn of Winter - the horn Joramun (legendary King-beyond-the-wall) blew to raise the Giants to fight off the Night's King.

eight feet long, large mouth, covered in runes, has gold bands

legend has it that it can destroy the Wall

Mance said he found it. Tormund Giantsbane said he lied. Melisandre burned a fake one when she killed a fake Mance.

The horn at the Fist of the First Men - found by Ghost buried with dragonglass weapons wrapped in a Night's Watch cloak. Old. Unadorned. Broken.


Dragon Horn - Euron Greyjoy claims to have found a Valyrian horn that can control dragons. Moqorro, a red priest, names it Dragonbinder. Euron gives it to Victarion when he sends him after Dany. Note: This horn kills the person who blows it by burning their lungs. This happened to Euron's man at the Kingsmoot.

Could this be used to raise the Sea Dragons mentioned in Iron Islands' legends?

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House Greyjoy of Pyke traces its bloodline back to the legendary king of the first men, the Grey King of the Age of Heroes. He fought Nagga the sea dragon, built his hall and throne from its bones, married a mermaid, and ruled for a thousand years.

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Claw Isle's horn - owned by Lord Celtigar can summon monsters/Krakens from the deep. mentioned twice in ASOS.

This may be used to defend Claw Isle against Ser Axell Florent (Stannis' Castellan) and Salador Saan's ships. Axell is still pissed at Lord Celtigar for giving up so easily during the battle of blackwater.

Horn of Herrock - black twisted horn with gold bands. Used to signal a castle to open it's gates. Probably nothing here.



So, does Sam have the true Horn of Winter in Oldtown or is Victarion carrying it to Dany?

I really getting suspicious of all the references to giant beasts. We've got Dany's dragons in Essos, Krakens near Claw Isle, Stone Dragons at Dragonstone, an Ice Dragon at Winterfell/the Wall, and the Sea Dragons of the Iron Islands. If Martin uses all of these legends we could be looking at a Clash of the Titans type endgame here.

Not a fan of the enchanted horns myself.

Much more of a sword fan.

(that's what she said)

Horn of Joramun (eta: Mance's horn that was burned)
Black, and "huge, eight feet along the curve and so wide at the mouth that he could have put his arm inside up to the elbow. If this came from an aurochs, it was the biggest that ever lived. At first he thought the bands around it were bronze, but when he moved closer he realized they were gold. Old gold, more brown than yellow, and graven with runes."

Horn from the Fist - old warhorn, made from an auroch’s horn and banded in bronze.

Note that the horn that was burned was banded in gold, while the Horn from the Fist is banded in bronze… The First Men used bronze. Also, the description of the horn reminds me of the description of Euron's dragon horn (listed below). Could the horn that was burned be a dragon horn? From the ship that came from Asshai that had the red silk that was sown in Mance's cloak? However, I don't think a dragon horn can burn, unless it was just an illusion from Mel to make everyone think it was burned.

Some other thoughts on Joramun

Joramun was a King-Beyond-the-Wall who tried to invade the realm. Yet, Joruman allies with the Stark of Winterfell to take down the Night's King. This kind of parallels Mance trying to move south of the Wall, then allying with the NW (Jon) to fight against the Others. Or could Stannis be today's Night's King?

There also isn't much to be said about the whole "waking giants from the earth." I mean, it's never mentioned in the Night's King story.

I read a cool theory that Joramun could have been the one who was awarded Bear Island for helping the Stark of Winterfell. Joramun, Jorah, Jeor. Their culture of warrior females is also similar to the wildlings spearwives. I also read another theory that Tormund, Husband to Bears, could have been one of the Mormont's lovers. So there may be a Mormont/Wildling connection there.

Euron's Dragon Horn

The horn he blew was shiny black and twisted, and taller than a man as he held it with both hands. It was bound about with bands of red gold and dark steel, incised with ancient Valyrian glyphs that seemed to glow redly as the sound swelled.

Dragon Horn - Black, twisted, taller than a man, bands of red gold and dark steel, Valyrian glyphs
Supposed Horn of Joramun - Black, eight feet, wide at the mouth, old gold, runes
IIRC, dragon bones are black

I'll post my thoughts on the other horns in my next post. I never noticed the Horn of Herrock, but it's black and twisted with gold bands similar to the dragon horn.

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Horn from the Fist - old warhorn, made from an auroch’s horn

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auroch's horns aren't eight feet long unless we're talking about some huge ancient breed of them similar to dire wolf/wolf

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Could the horn that was burned be a dragon horn?

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i doubt it.

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unless it was just an illusion from Mel to make everyone think it was burned.

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Tormund definitely thinks so

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This kind of parallels Mance trying to move south of the Wall, then allying with the NW (Jon) to fight against the Others.

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i agree but i can't help but think that Jon will be allied with the Others, not fight against them.

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I read a cool theory that Joramun could have been the one who was awarded Bear Island for helping the Stark of Winterfell. Joramun, Jorah, Jeor. Their culture of warrior females is also similar to the wildlings spearwives. I also read another theory that Tormund, Husband to Bears, could have been one of the Mormont's lovers. So there may be a Mormont/Wildling connection there.

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that is interesting

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IIRC, dragon bones are black

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they are

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but it's black and twisted with gold bands similar to the dragon horn.

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what horn isn't these days?

So will Dany be the only one able to blow Euron's horn since she's the only one that has the blood of the dragon?

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auroch's horns aren't eight feet long unless we're talking about some huge ancient breed of them similar to dire wolf/wolf

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That's a direct quote from the text about the horn. The horn found at the Fist is NOT eight foot long, that's the horn Mance had (eta: the one that I called the Horn of Joramun).

i wonder if we're dealing with some embellishment of the horn of winter's features