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Condor Airlines to Start Nonstop New Orleans to Frankfurt flights May 2017
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:47 am
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Starting today, Condor flights to dream destinations worldwide can be booked for summer 2017. From the leisure airline’s home base in Frankfurt, passengers can fly to the surfer’s paradise of San Diego as well as to New Orleans, the “birthplace of jazz”. And now, as a brand new addition, Condor is also offering convenient direct flights from Munich Airport to Seattle and Las Vegas.
“We have many years of experience with long-haul flights to tourist destinations and see great potential in our new destinations as well: San Diego and New Orleans. They are an ideal complement to the already large selection of cities we fly to in North America,” says Jens Boyd, Group Head of Long-haul at Condor. “In the summer of 2017, these two destinations will be brand new in our flight programme. We are also expanding our existing offers with many additional flights to the most beautiful holiday spots.”
During the summer season, Condor will be offering flights from Frankfurt to San Diego three times a week and to New Orleans twice a week. Both cities are perfect for trips through the USA, since holidaymakers can ideally combine them with other Condor destinations such as Las Vegas, Nevada and Austin, Texas. The frequencies to Baltimore and Minneapolis will be increased to four weekly flights, opening up new opportunities for fans of North America.
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Even though it's only twice a week, it's the first nonstop flights from MSY to Europe in a while. Never heard of Condor, but will be a great addition for the city of New Orleans.
Flights are already available for booking for May 2017 - October 2017, looks like departures out of new orleans on Wednesdays and Sundays at 6:30pm
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 11:52 am
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:06 pm to CuseTiger
How long ago did they have flights to Europe out of MSY?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:22 pm to CuseTiger
quote:Thank you Jesus.
Condor Airlines to Start Nonstop New Orleans to Frankfurt
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:23 pm to Larry Gooseman
I'm not too sure, maybe right up until Katrina??
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:28 pm to CuseTiger
Just in time for the first annual bombing of Der Biergarten. You go Germany!
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:54 pm to CuseTiger
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Never heard of Condor, but will be a great addition for the city of New Orleans.
This is great for MSY. Getting a transatlantic flight is huge, hopefully more follow.
Condor is owned by Thomas Cook Airlines but shares a FF program with Lufthansa.
Condor is staring service here in Austin at the end of June using 767s. I imagine they will fly the 767 on the MSY route as well.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:55 pm to RedFoxx
Ya, they sure have a strategy now it seems having Austin and now New Orleans.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:58 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Ya, they sure have a strategy now it seems having Austin and now New Orleans.
Yeah, they cater to leisure travelers going to leisure destinations.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:03 pm to RedFoxx
Would be nice if Austin picked some more international but those 20 minute flights to DFW or IAH aren't the worst. I do enjoy the fact they actually try to provide drink service on those. Its fun watching them hustle.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:22 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Would be nice if Austin picked some more international but those 20 minute flights to DFW or IAH aren't the worst. I do enjoy the fact they actually try to provide drink service on those. Its fun watching them hustle.
More would always be better, but I think Austin is doing pretty well for an airport/city of its size with the routes currently offered.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:57 pm to CuseTiger
looks like just under $1000 US dollars for round trip from a wednesday to a sunday the following week in june. that's not bad at all
Posted on 6/8/16 at 4:11 pm to quail man
The flights would have to be $500 or less for me to schedule a vacation trip overseas on an airline that only does flights 2 days a week. If the plane has issues, pilots get sick or too many hours, etc. than you are looking at a serious delay.
I'll be seriously keeping an eye on these as frankfurt is a great central location for Europe and I can drive over from Florida, but the prices have to be lower than $1000 round trip as I can get that elsewhere.
I'll be seriously keeping an eye on these as frankfurt is a great central location for Europe and I can drive over from Florida, but the prices have to be lower than $1000 round trip as I can get that elsewhere.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:03 pm to baldona
quote:Most airlines have reciprocal agreements with other carriers to back them up in cases like you describe. You might have a long layover on, say a Lufthansa flight the next day but in the normal course of business Condor isn't going to leave a plane-full of passengers in FRA until the next scheduled flight.
If the plane has issues, pilots get sick or too many hours, etc. than you are looking at a serious delay.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 8:05 am to baldona
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I can drive over from Florida
Why not just drive to Atlanta in that case?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 11:04 am to CuseTiger
https://www.theneworleansadvocate.com/news/16054772-123/flight-from-new-orleans-to-germany-set-to-begin-next-summer
Some local info on this great new flight.
I was also expecting something more along the line of a regular, year round service, but there is enough demand that this 2X weekly Condor service can be a huge success. The May and June flights will probably be dominated by US to Europe travelers, July-Sept will be Germans coming over here (when their vacations begin).
The 767's they will use are the best when it comes to long haul seating. 2-3-2 means that a lot of couples can have their own "area", and as a percentage of total seats, there are more aisle seats than any other aircraft type. On a 10 hour flight, this is definitely a plus to not having people climb over you to go to the loo while you are sleeping.
The elimination of tight connections going through customs in hub cities is also gone. No you just have to go to your car after customs.
Also, many European River Cruises begin in Frankfurt, so this should make this market much easier to access for elderly people, who sometimes find connecting, multiple boardings, and long end to end travel times to be a challenge.
Eventually, the system will allow for codesharing, thus allowing you to fly on Condor from NOLA, connect in Frankfurt to say Rome or Paris. Frankfurt is not a large as Heathrow or CDG, so connecting may be easier as well.
But mainly, Frankfurt is major high speed rail hub where all the intercity trains stop the the large rail station directly inside of the airport. So if you have a Eurailpass, you are on your way very quickly to Paris, Amsterdam, Milan, Vienna, etc. on the ICE, TGV or Railjet.
https://www.sncf.com/en/trains/germany-tgv-ice
I think this flight will work for many (not all) people. If anything, there will be 500 seats a week that won't be going on Delta, BA, Air France, etc. during the peak summer time. Maybe this will get their attention, and they will begin year round service.
Long term, I hear that the IAG Group (BA, Aer Lingus, Iberia), is planning to position Aer Lingus and Dublin as a low cost transatlantic hub. An Aer Lingus nonstop to Dublin from NOLA would be huge as a lot of locals go to Ireland for vacation, and Dublin as a connection hub to the rest of Europe looks a lot easier than LHR, LGW or CDG. I think that's a better bet than a full service airline. I think we see Condor/Aer Lingus/Norwegian/Wow/Eurowings type of service. I just don't see enough business to fill a typical amount of First Class and Business Class seats for a full service airline.
Some local info on this great new flight.
I was also expecting something more along the line of a regular, year round service, but there is enough demand that this 2X weekly Condor service can be a huge success. The May and June flights will probably be dominated by US to Europe travelers, July-Sept will be Germans coming over here (when their vacations begin).
The 767's they will use are the best when it comes to long haul seating. 2-3-2 means that a lot of couples can have their own "area", and as a percentage of total seats, there are more aisle seats than any other aircraft type. On a 10 hour flight, this is definitely a plus to not having people climb over you to go to the loo while you are sleeping.
The elimination of tight connections going through customs in hub cities is also gone. No you just have to go to your car after customs.
Also, many European River Cruises begin in Frankfurt, so this should make this market much easier to access for elderly people, who sometimes find connecting, multiple boardings, and long end to end travel times to be a challenge.
Eventually, the system will allow for codesharing, thus allowing you to fly on Condor from NOLA, connect in Frankfurt to say Rome or Paris. Frankfurt is not a large as Heathrow or CDG, so connecting may be easier as well.
But mainly, Frankfurt is major high speed rail hub where all the intercity trains stop the the large rail station directly inside of the airport. So if you have a Eurailpass, you are on your way very quickly to Paris, Amsterdam, Milan, Vienna, etc. on the ICE, TGV or Railjet.
https://www.sncf.com/en/trains/germany-tgv-ice
I think this flight will work for many (not all) people. If anything, there will be 500 seats a week that won't be going on Delta, BA, Air France, etc. during the peak summer time. Maybe this will get their attention, and they will begin year round service.
Long term, I hear that the IAG Group (BA, Aer Lingus, Iberia), is planning to position Aer Lingus and Dublin as a low cost transatlantic hub. An Aer Lingus nonstop to Dublin from NOLA would be huge as a lot of locals go to Ireland for vacation, and Dublin as a connection hub to the rest of Europe looks a lot easier than LHR, LGW or CDG. I think that's a better bet than a full service airline. I think we see Condor/Aer Lingus/Norwegian/Wow/Eurowings type of service. I just don't see enough business to fill a typical amount of First Class and Business Class seats for a full service airline.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:28 pm to Larry Gooseman
Not since 1980's. National Airlines operated a flight to Amsterdam back in the late 70s.
I hope this works out for a while, it's exciting news.
I hope this works out for a while, it's exciting news.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 4:16 pm to MetTiger
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Long term, I hear that the IAG Group (BA, Aer Lingus, Iberia), is planning to position Aer Lingus and Dublin as a low cost transatlantic hub. An Aer Lingus nonstop to Dublin from NOLA would be huge as a lot of locals go to Ireland for vacation, and Dublin as a connection hub to the rest of Europe looks a lot easier than LHR, LGW or CDG. I think that's a better bet than a full service airline. I think we see Condor/Aer Lingus/Norwegian/Wow/Eurowings type of service. I just don't see enough business to fill a typical amount of First Class and Business Class seats for a full service airline.
I've heard the same thing as well. IAG will use the LHR slots for BA to serve the local market and flow those connections over DUB. DUB is in the process of updating their master plan with the potential for another, desperately needed runway. If they get that, then Aer Lingus could make it a very strong connecting hub.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 5:43 pm to Reservoir dawg
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National Airlines operated a flight to Amsterdam back in the late 70s.
Yes, National operated a DC-10 once a week to AMS, and planned several times to in the late 70's to fly nonstop to Frankfurt and Paris (even to the point where it was in the route map), but never did.
However, in the early 1980's, British Airways flew a Tristar service London Gatwick-NOLA-Mexico city, three times a week.
Back then, planes didn't have the range from Europe they do now (especially westbound headwinds) to central America was a no go. Air France stopped in Houston on the way to MEX for the same reason. Also, people were more accepting of a stopover back then.
Once hub and spoke was firmly entrenched, and alliances began, that buried NOLA as a nonstop destination. Eventually, airlines started flying against to non hub cities with large business cores, and again, NOLA is not in that number. This is the third wave, low cost carriers and now were in the mix.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 6:11 pm to MetTiger
I will say the walk to the A380 part of the Frankfurt airport was a bitch. However, seeing the A380s through the windows is a pretty cool sight. So big.
I got randomly selected for extra security at Frankfurt. A little unnerving considering their gestapo past. Just kidding of course...kinda.
I got randomly selected for extra security at Frankfurt. A little unnerving considering their gestapo past. Just kidding of course...kinda.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 6/10/16 at 6:28 pm to SM6
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I've heard the same thing as well. IAG will use the LHR slots for BA to serve the local market and flow those connections over DUB. DUB is in the process of updating their master plan with the potential for another, desperately needed runway. If they get that, then Aer Lingus could make it a very strong connecting hub
It really makes no sense to use valuable slots at LHR for US tourist passengers to just transfer on to the rest of Europe. This way, you funnel them through Dublin. There's more than enough nonstops to LHR and LGW now to cover travelers going just to London.
Lufthansa is doing the same with Eurowings. Their hub will be in Cologne, not Frankfurt. Which is less than an hour by ICE train between both airports. Saving slots at FRA.
WOW and Icelandair are doing the same thing, but capacity at KEF is already overburdened during the rush, sometimes you have to bus to the terminal, and it's Iceland! Anyway, I think NOLA is at/beyond the operational limits of the A321s and B757's from Iceland.
Low cost airlines are changing the transatlantic business plan. Who knows how exactly it will all play out, but I'm fairly certain that NOLA will have at least 1 service to Europe from here on out.
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