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10 Hours In Paris...

Posted on 5/15/18 at 12:28 pm
Posted by BrockLanders
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 12:28 pm
Afternoon All,

I'll soon be spending a day in Paris while in London, and want to ask you folk what the most sensible routes will be to check out the following stuff.

The Eurostar arrives at 10:15 in the morning, and we'll need to be back at Gare du Nord for 8:15 that night, so approx 10 hours to work with.


The stuff we want to do for sure is:


1. Champs Elysses (just walking down it for a bit)

2. Eiffel Tower (just visiting the park where it is)

3. Catacombs

4. Musee Rodin

5. Notre Dame (and possibly checking out a spot with a good view of the city after that?)



Suggestions for which ones to do first, and perhaps a good place for a quick dinner near Gare du Nord are most appreciated!





This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Buck Dancer
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 1:02 pm to
For a good point to see the city I'd recommend going to Sacre-Coeur in Montmartre, nice bohemian part of town and incredible view of the city.

All other points are good choices.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

I'll soon be spending a day in Paris while in London


Madness. A day in Paris is pure insanity to me. It is a city that needs to be savored and done at a relaxed pace.

You also have to factor in travel time to and from Gare du Nord, which out in the 10th arrondisement, so even though the Metro is pretty fast it'll take a few to get to city center.

quote:

1. Champs Elysses (just walking down it for a bit)

2. Eiffel Tower (just visiting the park where it is)

3. Catacombs

4. Musee Rodin

5. Notre Dame (and possibly checking out a spot with a good view of the city after that?)





You really cannot do all of this in the time alotted IMO without running through all of them.

I would skip Rodin and the Catacombs and save those for your next trip where you hopefully spend more than 10 hours in Paris.

Personally I think the Champs Elysses is also a waste of time as well.

Do the Eiffel and Notre Dame, walk by the Louvre just to take pictures near the glass pyramid, walk along the Seine to ND. Maybe have some ice cream at Berthillion or some coffee at a famous cafe like Magots.

I honestly don't know the train station well enough to recommend a restaurant, but timeout has a list:

LINK
Posted by BrockLanders
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

You really cannot do all of this in the time alotted IMO without running through all of them. I would skip Rodin and the Catacombs and save those for your next trip where you hopefully spend more than 10 hours in Paris. Personally I think the Champs Elysses is also a waste of time as well. Do the Eiffel and Notre Dame, walk by the Louvre just to take pictures near the glass pyramid, walk along the Seine to ND. Maybe have some ice cream at Berthillion or some coffee at a famous cafe like Magots. I honestly don't know the train station well enough to recommend a restaurant, but timeout has a list:



Well, just remember, we're not actually taking the time to go up in the Eiffel Tower, just getting close to it.

Berthillion is definitely on the agenda, since it's so close to Notre Dame!

And thanks for the list.
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 1:27 pm to
Many do not agree, but I personally think its worth it to go to the top. It is time consuming but its a wonderful experience.

The area around Eiffel is filled with Somalis and Arabs aggressively trying to sell you shite.

Montmarte is too far to go out to given the time scale.

If you aren't going to the top of Eiffel and insist on doing Champs Elysee, you MAY consider going to the top of the Arc de Triumphe instead, beautiful view of the city.
Posted by BrockLanders
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Many do not agree, but I personally think its worth it to go to the top. It is time consuming but its a wonderful experience. The area around Eiffel is filled with Somalis and Arabs aggressively trying to sell you shite. Montmarte is too far to go out to given the time scale. If you aren't going to the top of Eiffel and insist on doing Champs Elysee, you MAY consider going to the top of the Arc de Triumphe instead, beautiful view of the city.



Right, I have been next to the Eiffel once before on a day trip, and those salesmen were bad, bad, bad.

Not necessarily insisting on the Champs Elysees, but when it's not entirely up to me...
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:12 pm to
Scratch the catacombs, and this is possibly do-able. I'll post back in a little bit when I've figured out a potential route. Meanwhile, you can check out what The Man in Seat 61 says about the Gare Du Nord (busiest train station in the world): LINK

Okay, here's one way to approach this (again, ditching the catacombs):
--upon arrival at Gare du Nord, grab a snack & beverage. Get something portable & keep moving.
--take the RER B (buy a ticket from the machine, it's easy and will take your US chip card) in the direction of St Remy or Robinson (either will take you where you want to go).
--get off at St. Michel, exit, and you can take the short walk across the river to Notre Dame. There is often a line; if it's too crazy, consider visiting the underground museum in the plaza in front of the cathedral; full of interesting exhibits about the Roman and medieval foundations of Paris, with some excavations visible.
--if you enjoy walking and haven't been to Paris (or haven't been recently), consider crossing to the Right Bank, walking through the grand court of the Louvre, and continue through the Tuileries. Maybe stop for a drink and a rest and a little people watching at one of the park cafes in the Tuileries. Otherwise, keep walking across the Place de la Concorde (site of the guillotine) until you reach the Champs Elysees.
--stroll on the Champs Elysees (overrated, IMHO, but you asked for it) until you reach FDR circle.
--enter the Metro at FDR circle, take the "J" line in the direction of Pont des Sevres to the Trocadero stop.
--Get out at Trocadero--this is a small park with a lavish fountain on a promontory overlooking the Eiffel Tower. Walk down through the park, cross the river, and marvel up at the tower. Trocadero park gives you great views of the city and the Tower. Ideal tourist photo opp.
--when you're tired of looking at the tower from below, dodge the 1,000,000 other tourists, French military police toting machine guns, and plainclothes police to walk to the Musee Rodin. (you can buy tickets online in advance for the museum, but you can also buy tickets on site for just the outdoor sculpture garden if it's a nice day and you don't feel like going inside the museum part).
--being at the Musee Rodin puts you close to the Varenne metro stop...you can do some research and find a cafe or restaurant near there, have dinner, then take the metro back to Gare du Nord (you'll have to switch trains/lines, or walk to a stop on a different line).

Or do the whole thing in reverse, if you prefer to do the more complicated metro transfers first, and end up easily walking to the St Michel RER stop to go directly back to Gare du Nord.

Honestly, I'd just stay in London....and I love Paris & speak French. As Samuel Johnson said, when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life. There is an incredible amount to see & do in London. Save the train ticket money for really good theater tickets, or a Michelin starred dinner in London.
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted by BrockLanders
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Scratch the catacombs, and this is possibly do-able. I'll post back in a little bit when I've figured out a potential route. Meanwhile, you can check out what The Man in Seat 61 says about the Gare Du Nord (busiest train station in the world): LINK



Thanks - and remember, we won't be standing in line for the Eiffel Tower, just looking up at it like all the other schmoes.
Posted by BlackenedOut
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:39 pm to
Chez Michel is very close to Gare du Nord. It is a fantastic restaurant showcasing the cuisine of Normandy. I'd go there (Assuming timing works out)
Posted by Winston Cup
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:47 pm to
burlesque is the only answer here
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:48 pm to


And yeah, the Champs Elysee is an utter and complete waste of time. Its a big street with a bunch of international overpriced chains on it. Yay.

But sometimes wives want to see that shite.
Posted by BrockLanders
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

Scratch the catacombs, and this is possibly do-able. I'll post back in a little bit when I've figured out a potential route. Meanwhile, you can check out what The Man in Seat 61 says about the Gare Du Nord (busiest train station in the world): LINK Okay, here's one way to approach this (again, ditching the catacombs): --upon arrival at Gare du Nord, grab a snack & beverage. Get something portable & keep moving. --take the RER B (buy a ticket from the machine, it's easy and will take your US chip card) in the direction of St Remy or Robinson (either will take you where you want to go). --get off at St. Michel, exit, and you can take the short walk across the river to Notre Dame. There is often a line; if it's too crazy, consider visiting the underground museum in the plaza in front of the cathedral; full of interesting exhibits about the Roman and medieval foundations of Paris, with some excavations visible. --if you enjoy walking and haven't been to Paris (or haven't been recently), consider crossing to the Right Bank, walking through the grand court of the Louvre, and continue through the Tuileries. Maybe stop for a drink and a rest and a little people watching at one of the park cafes in the Tuileries. Otherwise, keep walking across the Place de la Concorde (site of the guillotine) until you reach the Champs Elysees. --stroll on the Champs Elysees (overrated, IMHO, but you asked for it) until you reach FDR circle. --enter the Metro at FDR circle, take the "J" line in the direction of Pont des Sevres to the Trocadero stop. --Get out at Trocadero--this is a small park with a lavish fountain on a promontory overlooking the Eiffel Tower. Walk down through the park, cross the river, and marvel up at the tower. Trocadero park gives you great views of the city and the Tower. Ideal tourist photo opp. --when you're tired of looking at the tower from below, dodge the 1,000,000 other tourists, French military police toting machine guns, and plainclothes police to walk to the Musee Rodin. (you can buy tickets online in advance for the museum, but you can also buy tickets on site for just the outdoor sculpture garden if it's a nice day and you don't feel like going inside the museum part). --being at the Musee Rodin puts you close to the Varenne metro stop...you can do some research and find a cafe or restaurant near there, have dinner, then take the metro back to Gare du Nord (you'll have to switch trains/lines, or walk to a stop on a different line). Or do the whole thing in reverse, if you prefer to do the more complicated metro transfers first, and end up easily walking to the St Michel RER stop to go directly back to Gare du Nord. Honestly, I'd just stay in London....and I love Paris & speak French. As Samuel Johnson said, when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life. There is an incredible amount to see & do in London. Save the train ticket money for really good theater tickets, or a Michelin starred dinner in London.



Tell ya what - if I were able to convince the other person to ditch the Champs Elysees, could you possibly devise a route with the Catacombs in the mix? I appreciate whatever you can do!
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

3. Catacombs


The line is ridiculously long most of the time and it takes some time to go through them. We loved it but I wouldn't do it with only ten hours in Paris.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 3:07 pm to
Catacombs takes a lot of time that's why people say scratch it. I was there for 7 days and didn't even make it there.

Champs Elyssee could take you twenty minutes. "Oh there's the street. Neat." And get on your way to more interesting things. Walking along the Seine is 1 trillion times more enjoyable than the Champs.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 3:33 pm to
LOL--you're lucky I'm on a boring conference call listening to other people drone on. I dislike enclosed underground places, so I've never toured the catacombs, so I can't vouch for the schlock level.

Dropping the Champs Elysee makes things a bit easier....
--still get on the RER B at Gare du Nord, but stay on it all the way to the Denefert-Rochereau stop. The entrance is very near this stop...but where you meet a tour guide, etc is up to you. Like I said, I've no interest in touring there, so I don't know if you meet outside or inside or what.
--after the catacombs, you can grab a pastry or sandwich on the go at the Paul bakery (chain, but you want to cover lots of ground, so you don't want to spend time on a lengthy sit-down lunch, right?)
--from the Denefert-Rochereau metro station, take the #6 line in the direction of Charles de Gaulle/Etoile, getting off at Trocadero for the park/fountain/walk across the river to Tour Eiffel.
--walk from Tour Eiffel to the Musee Rodin (2 km), perhaps stopping in at Napoelon's Tomb if so inclined?
--enjoy the Musee Rodin, then walk to Notre Dame (about 3 km, 30-45 minutes depending on your speed).
--tour Notre Dame, or walk around the outside, or climb the tower as you are so inclined.
--do your research and find a dinner spot near Notre Dame; take the RER B from St. Michel back to Gare du Nord

This skips the Tuileries/Louvre, Place de la Concorde, and Champs Elysees, but it does feature the walk from Tour Eiffel to Musee Rodin (and from there to Notre Dame). So you will still get to see some streetscape, buildings, people watching, shop windows, etc. Depending on how long your catacombs tour takes, and how long you spend gawking at the tower, you should still be able to squeeze in a quick dinner. Note that the French aren't such a fan of quick dinners, and you'll want to 1)ensure your server knows that you have a train to catch or 2)perhaps consider dining very near the Gare du Nord or 3)picking up food for a train picnic on the way back to London.

Is this what I would do with a vacation day? Nope. I'd enjoy London while I'm in London. Drink Hawkes ginger beer and tonic at Blackfriars' Pub, go eat pie and mash at Pieminster, get a curry on Brick Lane, take one of those hokey Ripper walking tours, or an organized pub crawl thru a neighborhood you've never visited. I would not spend it on a long train ride and blitz thru Paris.

Now, if you told me you were spending a month/summer/semester/year in London and this was a random side trip, I'd still try to convince you to at least spend the night.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 3:40 pm to
Skip the catacombs. The rest of those places are within easy walking distance of each other. I would start at N.D., then go to the Rodin. I would suggest trying to have dinner on rue St. Dominique which is in the shadow of the Eiffel Towed. That is one of my favorite restaurant rows in Paris. There are many excellent restaurants on or a couple of blocks off that street. Some of my favorites are Le Fontaine de Mars, Chez L'Ami Jean, Café Constant, Violon de Ingre, and La Fables de Fontaine. Then go back to the train station.
Posted by pjab
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:45 pm to
Champs Elysses is a complete waste of time. It was the only time in Paris I felt unsafe.

Go up the Eiffel Tower, see the highlights of the Lourve, and check out Norte Dame. Eat and drink in between. Rodin is great, but you don’t have enough time for 2 museums plus there are Rodin’s elsewhere. There is only one Mona Lisa, Winged Victory, and Gummi de Milo.

Book a return trip too.
Posted by Jackalope
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:59 pm to
quote:

Champs Elysses (just walking down it for a bit)


It's like walking down a typical city in the US, lot's of homeless, beggars, thieves, and cookie cutter stores. Unless you're more looking to cross it off a bucket list.

Check out the 6th arrondissement for great shopping streets, also nice and picturesque. Great to stroll down. It's also home to the best bakeries, chocolate shops, and pastry shops.

Sacre-Couer has a great view, and y'all can walk the Montmartre neighborhood around it and it's really cool. Veer off too far near Barbes - Rochechouart station and you'll be in the arab ghetto.

Everything near Gare du Nord is really bad. If you know how Decatur is in Nola or Times Square in NYC, it's all tourist traps.

However, there is a meat lovers gem near by called Chez Papa. It is Southwestern French/Basque food and really tasty. Not a facny place, just crazy tasty and close to Gare du Nord. Tous, or Vivant are near and fancy/good. L'Oseille is a little further but one of my favorites.
Posted by BrockLanders
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Chez Michel is very close to Gare du Nord. It is a fantastic restaurant showcasing the cuisine of Normandy. I'd go there (Assuming timing works out)


It looks great - only trouble is that the earliest reservation for dinner is 6:45, and having to get back to Gare du Nord for 8:20 is gonna make that impossible, me thinks...
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

Champs Elysses is a complete waste of time. It was the only time in Paris I felt unsafe.


I never felt unsafe there, it's just sort of boring.

As someone else alluded to, it's basically Paris' version of 'Big City Anywhere'. Sure, take a glance down the classic view toward the Arc de Triomphe and move on.
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