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Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:18 pm to Korkstand
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it would be just swell if you wouldn't post in these threads.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:21 pm to CAD703X
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it would be just swell if you wouldn't post in these threads.
The feeling I get when some random idiot derails a PC-related thread with misinformation.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:21 pm to TigerGman
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Some of you are reacting like you're worried about Apple making in roads with a larger handset-& are desperate for the 6 to be a flop.
i can only speak for myself but i'm glad apple is out there to be a legit OS competitor to android.
let me state this clearly lest you be confused:
I DON'T LIKE GOOGLE.
not one bit. i think they're sneaky, they lie, they change the rules around all the time for the end users, they bow to dicatorships in other countries & self-censor content and they have way way WAY too much fricking control over what i think & see when i'm engaging with the web.
having said all that; they make a fricking GREAT free cloud-based solution for my telephone and data needs.
and i'll probably get their internet if they ever offer it in nashville.
so i'm a whore, sue me.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:26 pm to Korkstand
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Every single high-end Android sold is pretty much a direct lost sale by Apple.
no its not. Some people are not going to buy an apple product regardless. some people are in regions where iphones are way more expensive than androids. and some markets don't even have the iphone as an option.
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It is definitely worrying for Apple.
Yes it is. But apple probably isn't too worried they are still generating a lot of cash, still have the "it" product, and are the darling.
once samsung or LG has a single phone that rivals the iphone sales, then they will be desperate.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:30 pm to TigerGman
quote:You are so intently focused on the obvious fact that Apple is not currently "desperate" to stay in business, that you continue to miss the point of the article, which is that a steady and accelerating loss of market share is a desperate situation for any company. This is especially true for companies whose future sales heavily depend on past sales and the extent to which the existing customer base is invested.
TigerGman
There is little doubt that Apple has a long and profitable future ahead of it. There is also little doubt that it could be much, MUCH more profitable if Android phones weren't taking so much market share. Why you take the time to argue against such a simple concept is truly baffling.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:32 pm to BoogerNuts
quote:No, you didn't.
I already did.
quote:See? You don't even realize that this thread is NOT about choosing a phone. Not even close.
See? If this is the type of shite you care about when choosing between Android or iPhone, you're doing it wrong.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:39 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:That's why I said "pretty much".
no its not.
quote:Still a lost sale.
Some people are not going to buy an apple product regardless.
quote:Lost sale.
some people are in regions where iphones are way more expensive than androids.
quote:Lost sale.
and some markets don't even have the iphone as an option.
quote:As soon as a company stops worrying about competition, they might as well close up shop. Apple is worried. Samsung is worried. LG is worried. Google is worried. And they are all "desperately" so.
But apple probably isn't too worried they are still generating a lot of cash, still have the "it" product, and are the darling.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:41 pm to CAD703X
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i can only speak for myself but i'm glad apple is out there to be a legit OS competitor to android.
This is the best statement made. The success of iPhone 6 and iOS8 will not make or break Apple. It is important for the consumer for it to be a success, just as it is important for the S5 or the G3 to be a success. Success brings innovation and that benefits the consumer. What is a negative is that the market share of Android, IOS has become so strong that Windows phones are struggling to make any inroads, losing shares and reducing the amount of phones shipped when compared to last year. It would be nice to have a strong 3rd option but that may not evolve.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:45 pm to ptra
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What is a negative is that the market share of Android, IOS has become so strong that Windows phones are struggling to make any inroads, losing shares and reducing the amount of phones shipped when compared to last year. It would be nice to have a strong 3rd option but that may not evolve.
windows/nokia is weak sauce. nokia is the past.
amazon has a better shot at it because they have an 'alternate app store' and you could argue they already have their own 'ecosystem' in place with their 'prime' product.
its an uphill battle for amazon though.
once upon a time, AOL was a juggernaut and YAHOO was the only search engine you could ever want..so I wouldn't bet the farm on google just yet but they do have a fricking strangehold on talent & products right now.
its not apple vs google. not by a long shot.
did you look at that slide i posted on the previous page?
CARRIERS DONT LIKE APPLE. att & verizen & tmobile & sprint have to deal with the devil that is apple and their strongarm tactics.
apple's ultimate fate hinges in part on ATT & verizen continuing to carry their products.
if the carriers got pissed enough at apple's 'rules' they could decide simply to stop carrying iphones and suddenly apple is very very dark place.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:48 pm to TigerinATL
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What exactly do you think happens if the iPhone fails and fades into obscurity?
It's like we live in a world where no one saw what happened to RIM and Nokia.
It can happen in a flash.Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:52 pm to therick711
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It's like we live in a world where no one saw what happened to RIM and Nokia. It can happen in a flash.
Yeah, Blackberry sales were still steadily increasing when iPhone began taking market share. Until the Blackberry sales started decreasing, of course.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:53 pm to therick711
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It can happen in a flash.
apple revolutionized and brought smartphones away from us hobbyists into the mainstream no doubt.
but its silly to think a 5 inch rectangle you hold in your hand is the end of the evolution here.
what if in a few years everyone has a flesh colored bandaid stuck to their head behind their right ear that projects an image 6 inches in front of your face that you operate with hand gestures?
would iphone and its apps still be a competitive product?
would 'two fingers swipe the screen' still be the ultimate user/device interaction?
are we always going to be limited to ATT, verizen or tmobilesprint as our connection to the internet?
nobody knows where we're heading or when something major will shift the thinking so its wise not to put all your retirement funds into AAPL.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:00 pm to Korkstand
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Lost sale.
i mean you are technically right but i am betting apple doesn't consider a person not buying their phone in a country where its not available as a lost sale.
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As soon as a company stops worrying about competition, they might as well close up shop. Apple is worried. Samsung is worried. LG is worried. Google is worried. And they are all "desperately" so.
you are just hedging here.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:05 pm to CAD703X
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nobody knows where we're heading or when something major will shift the thinking so its wise not to put all your retirement funds into AAPL.
well i tend to agree, and tech is prone to major disruptions the reality is the consumer brands have strong staying power. Go back 30 years ago, and the big dogs in computers - apple, ibm and msft are still around. even fringe player like coleco and atari got gobbled up and their influence still exists.
I bet in 20 years apple is still around, and is still a consumer leader. Maybe not the brand, but still around.
I don't own any appl stock ftr.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:10 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:The best kind of right, IMO.
i mean you are technically right
quote:Apple does, but obviously their fans don't. Why wouldn't a company consider a potential sale not made as a lost sale? Where isn't the iPhone available, and why is it not?
but i am betting apple doesn't consider a person not buying their phone in a country where its not available as a lost sale.
quote:How am I hedging? I am trying to explain to those in here why they shouldn't object to a journalist using the word "desperately" to describe Apple, especially when it is fitting. Is a successful company immune to such a description? Can someone suggest a better word to describe how Apple should "feel" about further losses in market share?
you are just hedging here.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:21 pm to Korkstand
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i mean you are technically right
The best kind of right, IMO.
Fantastic Futurama reference.
You are technically correct
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:59 pm to Korkstand
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Why wouldn't a company consider a potential sale not made as a lost sale? Where isn't the iPhone available, and why is it not?
parts of asia and africa. usually its regulatory barriers.
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How am I hedging? I am trying to explain to those in here why they shouldn't object to a journalist using the word "desperately" to describe Apple, especially when it is fitting. Is a successful company immune to such a description? Can someone suggest a better word to describe how Apple should "feel" about further losses in market share?
desperation is a frat boy at boogies at 1:45 am hitting on an OT 5 (did i get the OT references right?).
Desperation for a business usually results in attempts to displace the market. Apple is still defining it.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:03 pm to Hawkeye95
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did i get the OT references right?
you're new. we have to give you some time to get your terms straight.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:09 pm to Hawkeye95
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Desperation for a business usually results in attempts to displace the market. Apple is still defining it.
How can you possibly say, with a straight face, that Apple is "defining the market", and then not allow someone to say that Apple "desperately" needs to do something about their rapidly diminishing market share?
It seems Jobs's reality distortion field lives on after his passing.
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