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re: Ugly Data For Apple Shows How Desperately It Needs iPhone 6 To Be A Hit
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:44 am to TigerGman
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:44 am to TigerGman
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The competition's increasing market share is in low profit, low margin phones that Apple has no interest in.
Y'all really are drinking the koolaid if you think dwindling market share is a positive sign for attracting technology innovations or developer support
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 7:46 am
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:52 am to CAD703X
quote:You're drinking it if you think Apple cares about selling ersatz low margin phones to 3rd world users that don't buy apps anyway.
Y'all really are drinking the koolaid if you think dwindling market share is a positive sign for attracting technology innovations or developer support
They're selling more iPhones than ever. And making way more profit off of them than their competitors.
So where's the evidence that decreasing market share is in anyway affecting them?
I'll give you knee jerk Apple haters a hint.
The answer is there isn't any.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:00 am to TigerGman
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where's the evidence that decreasing market share is in anyway affecting them?
This needs to be my new sig quote.
Do you even economics bro?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:19 am to CAD703X
Yeah tell you what. Together we're gonna sell 10 phones. Tell ya what you can have 9 of em.
Of course the 9 I give you you make a dime off of. The 1 I sell I make $10 off of.
Deal?
Of course the 9 I give you you make a dime off of. The 1 I sell I make $10 off of.
Deal?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:26 am to CAD703X
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Y'all really are drinking the koolaid if you think dwindling market share is a positive sign for attracting technology innovations or developer support
And you're stuck in the 90's if you think this is a Windows vs Mac redux.
You're pretending that all consumers are equal when clearly they are not.
ETA: Which, by the way, turned out not to be what we thought it was in the 90s anyway. Macs are still being made, are pretty popular, gaining market share, and are the most profitable computers on the market. I mean, look at Microsofts advertising of the Surface. Who are they going up against? Who is their competition that they are afraid of?
Also, to say that they are desperate is hugely misleading. They have so much cash on hand that they could literally pull every product they make off shelves today, not come out with anything new, make zero sales, and keep their same operating budget for the next 10 years before they would run out of cash.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:51 am to TigerGman
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Yeah tell you what. Together we're gonna build an ad supported app for 10 phones. Tell ya what, the code you write will work on 9 of em.
Of course the 9 I give you you make a dime off of from the ad revenue. The 1 i write my app for i also make a dime off of.
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Deal?
yep
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 8:53 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:54 am to colorchangintiger
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They have so much cash on hand that they could literally pull every product they make off shelves today, not come out with anything new, make zero sales, and keep their same operating budget for the next 10 years before they would run out of cash.
no one is disputing apple's ungodly cash reserves.
i thought the point was innovation favors the product most people adopt since that's where development naturally migrates towards.
why are y'all trying so hard to convince everyone this doesn't apply to apple?
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:02 am to CAD703X
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i thought the point was innovation favors the product most people adopt.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. Apple innovated on mobile UX, Android took those lessons and innovated on distribution. I don't think anyone is arguing that. The fact remains Apple has a huge chunk of the top of the market. The only market that they have shown time and again to be interested in. If Apple chased market share, they'd probably be in the same boat that Samsung is currently in.
Samsung Profit Misses as Cheap Phones Struggle
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since that's where development naturally migrates towards
And here we are, 6 years after Android was released to the world and 4 years after it took the market share lead from RIM (that's right, RIM, Apple never had a market share lead with iPhone) and many apps are still being developed iOS first and at best iOS and Android simultaneously.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:11 am to colorchangintiger
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many apps are still being developed iOS first and at best iOS and Android simultaneously.
and android as a platform has gobbled up over 84% of the total world market taking almost 100% of that from iOS along the way.
apple will continue to market its boutique device and the apple faithful will continue to buy it.
and in colorchange's world:
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The fact remains Apple has a huge chunk of the top of the market. The only market that they have shown time and again to be interested in.
this magical 'top market' will continue to be a special elite clientele whose phones are caressed by the hands of magical software wizards with happier apps nestled in the bosom of the iOS which is, as colorchange points out, 'top market'.
eta would love to see the link for your comment that 'many apps are still being developed iOS first'.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:44 am to TigerGman
quote:Nothing suggests that Apple operates in this universe?quote:Nothing suggests this is true in Apple's case.
But anyway, market share determines and precedes profit, that is why share is so often looked at. And if these trends continue, with Android's share not only eating away at iOS' share, but doing so at an accelerating rate... this information is crucial in predicting future profits.
quote:How is the title misleading? It doesn't say that if iPhone6 flops then Apple will go away. It says that Apple desperately needs iPhone6 to be a hit. It should be clear that Apple is concerned about losing part of 'their' market, since they are making a larger phone in an attempt to get some of the high-end Android customers back. If this attempt fails, I'm pretty sure a lot of folks at Apple would begin to feel a bit 'desperate'.
They are selling more phones than ever at stunningly high profit, much higher profits than their competition.
The competition's increasing market share is in low profit, low margin phones that Apple has no interest in.
So the title is grossly misleading.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:45 am to CAD703X
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and android as a platform has gobbled up over 84% of the total world market taking almost 100% of that from iOS along the way.
Hardly, I'm pretty sure iOS was never over 20% of market share. Android took most of it's share from RIM, Symbian, and Windows Mobile.
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apple will continue to market its boutique device and the apple faithful will continue to buy it.
This has been said since before the iPhone was introduced. 500 + million iPhones later I really don't think you can say it's just apple faithful that are buying them as even today with strong mac sales there are only 60-70 million macs in use.
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this magical 'top market'
WTF is magical about it? It's not subjective at all. Android's biggest gains are in India and China. Do you really think that the average Chinese consumer is equal dollars wise to the average American consumer?
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eta would love to see the link for your comment that 'many apps are still being developed iOS first'.
This is why developers make iOS apps first
It's no secret developers make iPhone and iPad apps before Android and other mobile apps. Here are the reasons.
The long-awaited switch to Android-first app development hasn’t happened yet
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Why aren’t most developers building Android first? Some cited their limited resources and the need to prioritize. It’s still easy to build a critical mass as an iOS-only app, especially when your own community is still mostly on iPhones.
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“During the early stages, focus is the most important thing, since we’re so resource-constrained on the engineering side,” says Stanley Tang, co-founder of DoorDash, a food-delivery startup based in Silicon Valley. “We’d rather spend all our efforts making one platform great than two platforms mediocre.” DoorDash currently has an Android app for its drivers, but its customers can only use iOS so far. Tang adds, “It’s much faster to develop high-quality apps on iOS.”
Why Android First is a Myth
Why companies are still deploying iOS apps first
The Fallacy Of Android-First
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:53 am to Korkstand
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Nothing suggests that Apple operates in this universe?
It seems you believe that since iPhone is losing market share then that also means iPhone sales are down YoY, but that's not the case. The market is out pacing iPhone sales, buy iPhone sales are still solid YoY.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:53 am to colorchangintiger
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This is why developers make iOS apps first
wow colorchange..you quoted a 3 paragraph article completely devoid of facts written by this woman to make your case?
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Melanie Pinola
Freelance Writer and Author
Multimedia Designer & Developer, Owner
Ensemble Media
Sole Proprietorship; Myself Only; Graphic Design industry
January 1998 – January 2013 (15 years 1 month)
Graphic and web design are my other loves, so I started Ensemble Media to offer integrated design and writing services with a focus on social responsibility. The service is on hiatus for an unknown period of time, mostly because I'm focusing on my writing work now. I'd still like to donate services for non-profit, charitable causes, however, so contact me if that's you!
Clients include: Multiple Sclerosis Society of NY, Showdown Performing Arts Program, Ristorante Italiano Toscanini, Prochilo Construction Director of Technology & New Media handshake Marketing
Privately Held; 1-10 employees; Marketing and Advertising industry
i bet this woman clearly has extensive experience using PCs.
eta your other "factual articles" are just as bad.
Michael Grouthas loves him some Apple
So does Dan Feldman
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Dave Feldman's Projects
* Stky for iPhone
February 2012 to Present
Team Members: Dave Feldman
* Pints: Beer Recommendations for iPhone
Dan Froomer loves him some google:
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Coincidence that Google Ventures' two seed guys are no longer there full-time? Or…?
Dan Frommer @fromedome · Aug 15
Btw, I was WRONG that iPhone 5C would be best-seller. 5S has outsold 5C more than 2:1 in the US.
Dan Frommer @fromedome · Aug 15
Who bought the iPhone 5C and 5S? Interesting demographics from comScore: https://qz.com/250315/iphone-5c-is-for-midwesterners-5s-is-for-northeasterners/ …
Dan Frommer @fromedome · Aug 15
Don't remember if big-arse Android phones were born from LTE-chip necessity or by design, but...
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:56 am to CAD703X
wow CAD703X all you can do is try to poke holes in my sources? What about the other 5 links I gave?
ETA: Also, this is her bio:
ETA: Also, this is her bio:
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Melanie Pinola is a freelance writer covering all things tech-related. A former IT admin and occasional web developer, she is also the author of
LinkedIn in 30 Minutes, a Lifehacker editor, and the Guide to Mobile Office Tech at About.com.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:58 am to colorchangintiger
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What about the other 5 links I gave?
see my edit.
my point is you know a blog when you see one. you're just trying to shoehorn them into your response to try to bolster your case.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:03 am to CAD703X
google Android first and see what you come up with.
ETA: You ask for a link, i give you 5. You immediately dismiss all of them. I don't know what you want from me. I give you facts, you pretend they're lies so you can feel good about what phone you carry in your pocket.
ETA: You ask for a link, i give you 5. You immediately dismiss all of them. I don't know what you want from me. I give you facts, you pretend they're lies so you can feel good about what phone you carry in your pocket.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:05 am to colorchangintiger
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colorchangintiger
admit all those articles you posted are written by self-admitted apple fanboys (and girls).
you don't have to go further than their own twitter comments about android vs ios to see who they really are.
i even did the legwork for you.
quote:
I give you facts
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:12 am to Korkstand
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It says that Apple desperately needs iPhone6 to be a hit. It should be clear that Apple is concerned about losing part of 'their' market, since they are making a larger phone in an attempt to get some of the high-end Android customers back. If this attempt fails, I'm pretty sure a lot of folks at Apple would begin to feel a bit 'desperate'.
So Apple is "desperate". You think that's not misleading? It's ridiculous.
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Nothing suggests that Apple operates in this universe?
You haven't pointed to a single source of data that suggests Apple is losing money due to Android growing market share.
If anything the evidence suggests just the opposite. Android is increasing market share ( albeit in markets Apple doesn't give a rat's arse about) and Apple's iPhone sales are better than ever .
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:27 am to TigerGman
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So where's the evidence that decreasing market share is in anyway affecting them?
I'll give you knee jerk Apple haters a hint.
The answer is there isn't any.
oh..i don't know...internal apple presentations?
apple dont care
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:37 am to CAD703X
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and android as a platform has gobbled up over 84% of the total world market taking almost 100% of that from iOS along the way.
A market with a 1.5-4 year upgrade cycle is fickle. Apple has fallen behind in screen size, they are desperate for the 6 to be a hit, but it will be a hit and right the ship for now. People are leery of Google because Google's business model involves people trusting someone that sees them as a commodity to sell to others. It really wouldn't take much of an incident to shift marketshare back the other way. That being said, I really think Apple is going to have to play the privacy card in the next generation or 2, because I don't think they have a prayer of beating Google in the data mining and information delivery game.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:39 am
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