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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:50 pm to lsu480
Different strokes for different folks.
Just so you know that's a theater plus eight zones of independently distributed audio and four zones of distributed video. All discrete zones. The point is to not judge a book by its cover.
It's all good.
I probably got a little pissy.
Just so you know that's a theater plus eight zones of independently distributed audio and four zones of distributed video. All discrete zones. The point is to not judge a book by its cover.
It's all good.
I probably got a little pissy.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:35 am to lsu480
Whew!!...I'm glad I didn't post a pic of my all tube Audio Research rig... 
(I have 2 other complete rigs in the house--one a bit better than the Mac rig and one more modest)
Enjoy the listen...
(I have 2 other complete rigs in the house--one a bit better than the Mac rig and one more modest)
Enjoy the listen...
Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:53 am to VABuckeye
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It's the ones you don't know and see that add up including the screen. That screen costs as much as some of the McIntosh gear by itself.
I didn't realize this was a contest, but since you bring $$ into it...
.. just the turntable/tonearm/cartridge in that pic is north of $18,000.
And I'll put it up against any digital source, including 24bit/96k files.
It's that good.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:41 am to Hopeful Doc
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Diamond to match the fronts? I would love to see this part of your setup. I want to pick up an HTM1 Matrix. They're really not priced all that bad, and I think it's about time I add a center channel.
No, I still have the Nautilus HTM1. It's a pretty close match and blends very well. We are moving into a new house next fall and I'll probably get the HTM2 Diamond
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 3:26 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:08 am to VABuckeye
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It's the ones you don't know and see that add up including the screen. That screen costs as much as some of the McIntosh gear by itself. Don't judge audio and video gear by the pretty gauges alone.
Can't see your screen details, but you really spent over 6k on that and have it paired with Creston and Sherbourn gear?
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 3:26 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:11 am to onelochevy
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That McIntosh gear is so sexy.
Yep! I know the glowing blue and green lights are not everyone's cup of tea, but I love the look and sound of their gear. The best part about buying McIntosh is how well their amps hold value.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:00 am to Marco Esquandolas
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I didn't realize this was a contest, but since you bring $$ into it...
It's not. Just don't people judging a book by it's cover or (admittedly) crappy photos. I apologize for turning the thread into something that it wasn't meant to be. I guess I just got caught in a pissy mood last night.
Two different systems for two different purposes. Mine is for whole house audio/video distribution and home theater. Yours is for critical listening and both excel at what they are designed for.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 6:45 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:02 am to ever43
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Can't see your screen details, but you really spent over 6k on that and have it paired with Creston and Sherbourn gear?
Crestron is for control and distribution. The Sherbourn stuff is because I was a Sherbourn dealer. Hard to pass up those kind of prices. I've thought about replacing it but just haven't gotten around to it. For theater it's excellent. There's plenty of power in that theater. In the past there was a Tag McLaren and a Meridian processor in there. Honestly, the theater only gets used to watch games and when my son is home from school. It's more about the distributed stuff in my house.
The screen is a Stewart Filmscreen tab tensioned electriscreen.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 6:44 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:55 am to VABuckeye
I'm not an audio file so someone tell me the justification for dropping well in to thousands of dollars to buy all of that high end shite only to put it in front of your fireplace and have wires everywhere? I don't mean to knock anyone but good grief. How much more sound can you possibly get from Monsters Inc than I can get with my $250 Vizio sound bar?
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:59 am to MightyYat
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How much more sound can you possibly get from Monsters Inc than I can get with my $250 Vizio sound bar?
It's about accuracy in regards to sound. Unfortunately, your Vizio soundbar is anything but accurate. However, if it makes you happy that is all that matters.
I'm going to agree with you in placement of a system in front of a fireplace. It's not what I would do but whatever floats ones boat.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:13 am to Marco Esquandolas
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I'm glad I didn't post a pic of my all tube Audio Research rig
I would love to see your Audio Research rig. The best sounding setup I've heard was all Audio Research gear.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:20 am to VABuckeye
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:28 pm to VABuckeye
I am sure your system is amazing and its WAY better than anything I have had, its just Marcos systems add up to WELL over $100,000 and that # is probably way low.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:30 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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I didn't realize this was a contest, but since you bring $$ into it...
I never thought saying that you win would have started all of this!
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:54 pm to VABuckeye
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It's about accuracy in regards to sound. Unfortunately, your Vizio soundbar is anything but accurate. However, if it makes you happy that is all that matters.
I guess so. I sat in a Macintosh demo booth in Beaumont last summer and it was nice and all but not worth spending $20K.
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I'm going to agree with you in placement of a system in front of a fireplace. It's not what I would do but whatever floats ones boat.
And if you're going to drop that kind of change you should at least have it in a room that is an acoustical match.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:20 pm to lsu480
Actually, VA Buckeye has a decent HT/multi room set up. Like he stated, our systems are designed for different kinds of listening.
Ever43--nice rig (for an Auburn guy)
As far as the Monster Cable vs. coat hanger paper....Monster Cable is not high quality cabling. The only thing monster about them is their marketing team. Not many true audiophiles use it. The cables in my Mac rig are Nordost Valhalla, and you can bet yor arse if you replace them with a coat hanger (or Monster Cable--same thing), I will notice immediately.
If you perform that cable swap test using a best buy receiver, then you are not going to notice a difference. When you have $100k+ of gear before the cable, there are a crapload of subtle microphonics that kind of gear delivers that can be lost. It is not lost on the cheap receiver because it didn't bring it to the table to begin with.
I'll use a car analogy (or try to at least)...
If you drive a Camry everyday and then one day get into a German auto with sport pack, you may notice a little bit of a change. But if you drive the German auto everyday for 6 months and then get back into the Camry--wow... You REALLY feel the difference.
If I change the type/brand of tires on my Jeep, I really don't notice it, but when I change the type of tire on my Audi RS7, I feel the difference immediately, for better or worse. That car allows the driver to really interact with the driving surface through the tires.
Now plug in high end audio gear for the RS7 and high end cables for the tires.
Hope that makes some sense.
Enjoy the listen...
Ever43--nice rig (for an Auburn guy)
As far as the Monster Cable vs. coat hanger paper....Monster Cable is not high quality cabling. The only thing monster about them is their marketing team. Not many true audiophiles use it. The cables in my Mac rig are Nordost Valhalla, and you can bet yor arse if you replace them with a coat hanger (or Monster Cable--same thing), I will notice immediately.
If you perform that cable swap test using a best buy receiver, then you are not going to notice a difference. When you have $100k+ of gear before the cable, there are a crapload of subtle microphonics that kind of gear delivers that can be lost. It is not lost on the cheap receiver because it didn't bring it to the table to begin with.
I'll use a car analogy (or try to at least
)... If you drive a Camry everyday and then one day get into a German auto with sport pack, you may notice a little bit of a change. But if you drive the German auto everyday for 6 months and then get back into the Camry--wow... You REALLY feel the difference.
If I change the type/brand of tires on my Jeep, I really don't notice it, but when I change the type of tire on my Audi RS7, I feel the difference immediately, for better or worse. That car allows the driver to really interact with the driving surface through the tires.
Now plug in high end audio gear for the RS7 and high end cables for the tires.
Hope that makes some sense.
Enjoy the listen...
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:35 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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The cables in my Mac rig are Nordost Valhalla, and you can bet yor arse if you replace them with a coat hanger (or Monster Cable--same thing), I will notice immediately.
And. Here. We. Go.
Testing audiophile claims and myths
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The clear conclusion is that ABX testing does not back up many audiophile claims, so they become audiophile myths as they show cables do not inherently change sound. Any change in sound quality comes from the listeners mind and interaction between their senses. What is claimed to be audible is not reliably so. Blind testing is also sometimes passed off as ABX. But blind testing is not really testing, it is a review of a product without seeing it, and that allows claims to be made about sound which have not been verified.
The real crazies at places like stevehoffman.tv claim USB cables make not just differences, which would be outlandish on its own, but night and day differences, $800 HDMI cables have better color, sharpness, etc than $500 cables which are still better than $200 cables, and on and on.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:54 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
Spock, I get what you are saying. I do.
My experience in hearing differences lies in the fact that I REALLY KNOW my gear and its sound.
By that, I mean that I usually spend 3-4 hours a night in front of one of the 3 rigs listening to 2 channel music (over 7k vinyls and an obnoxious # of CDs keep my interest--I love discovering new music!). When one spends that amount of time with anything, they tend to get to know it very well, which is the reason I can detect subtle differences.
If I sat in front of a fellow audiophile's rig for a little bit and then changed interconnects, maybe not. But on the ones I spend thousands of hours in front of, I can tell.
What makes one amplifier sound different from another (I'm talking point-to-point wiring inside--no PCBs...think classic tube amps)?
Many amps sound vastly different from one another. They may use different elements in their wiring (Cu vs. Ag vs. Au), or different mixes for solder (6N Ag vs. tin), which all have different conductive properties. Those differences in properties affect the voltage signal passing through it, and it is that very voltage signal that is converted into sound waves. Is a cable not just an extension of the long chain of metal connections begun in the source component?
My experience in hearing differences lies in the fact that I REALLY KNOW my gear and its sound.
By that, I mean that I usually spend 3-4 hours a night in front of one of the 3 rigs listening to 2 channel music (over 7k vinyls and an obnoxious # of CDs keep my interest--I love discovering new music!). When one spends that amount of time with anything, they tend to get to know it very well, which is the reason I can detect subtle differences.
If I sat in front of a fellow audiophile's rig for a little bit and then changed interconnects, maybe not. But on the ones I spend thousands of hours in front of, I can tell.
What makes one amplifier sound different from another (I'm talking point-to-point wiring inside--no PCBs...think classic tube amps)?
Many amps sound vastly different from one another. They may use different elements in their wiring (Cu vs. Ag vs. Au), or different mixes for solder (6N Ag vs. tin), which all have different conductive properties. Those differences in properties affect the voltage signal passing through it, and it is that very voltage signal that is converted into sound waves. Is a cable not just an extension of the long chain of metal connections begun in the source component?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:14 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
I dont see why a coat hanger would sound bad, if you prepped the ends well. It's a super thick piece of extruded metal. It's not flexible or shielded though, and it's short as frick.
People who don't believe an audiophile rig can transform the experience just simply have never been able to spend enough time around one. Music is art, and it can be enjoyed as a fine art if you have the ability.
People who don't believe an audiophile rig can transform the experience just simply have never been able to spend enough time around one. Music is art, and it can be enjoyed as a fine art if you have the ability.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 11:31 am
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