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re: Why are european clubs so quick to fire managers?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:07 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:07 pm to RandySavage
You need to replace Manchester and Liverpool with London/Paris, for your statement to be potentially plausible.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:08 pm
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:13 pm to Dandy Lion
Then it wouldn't even be close. I was trying to make it somewhat fair.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:15 pm to RandySavage
In terms of market size, but Manchester and Liverpool have had more success in the sport than Paris and London.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:16 pm to nvasil1
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In terms of market size, but Manchester and Liverpool have had more success in the sport than Paris and London.
shhhhh, I don´t think they want to hear that.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:19 pm to nvasil1
True. But again they are still among the 4-5 biggest markets in England.
Just like Boston is a more successful sports city than Los Angeles and New York really other than baseball.
Just like Boston is a more successful sports city than Los Angeles and New York really other than baseball.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:20 pm to RandySavage
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Then it wouldn't even be close. I was trying to make it somewhat fair.
You´re fomenting the notion that a commie franchise system is superior to that of a free market one, based upon the inclusion of comparatively smaller markets in the league.
The fall-off or drop-off which you suggest, is MUCH less than say, London to Porto.
Have either Oakland or Cleveland won anything? I wouldn´t know, but highly doubt it.
Porto, yes.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:23 pm to Dandy Lion
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Dandy Lion
What are you even arguing at this point?
I listed 14-15 American cities that fall outside the top 10 markets that have won a major championship in the last 10 years.
Nobody here has listed a single European city that has won a title in the last 15-20 years that is not in the top 5 markets in their country.
Knowing this I don't understand how you can continue to arguing.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:24 pm to RandySavage
No, we just reject your version of how to compare. We want to compare Europe as a whole to the U.S. as a whole, which is the closest apples to apples comparison you're going to find.
You seem to want to compare places like Portugal by themselves to the U.S., which is of course ridiculous.
You seem to want to compare places like Portugal by themselves to the U.S., which is of course ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:27 pm to Dandy Lion
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You´re fomenting the notion that a commie franchise system is superior to that of a free market one
Yes, in fostering competition it is.
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The fall-off or drop-off which you suggest, is MUCH less than say, London to Porto
I would say NY to Cleveland is very similar to London to Porto.
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Have either Oakland or Cleveland won anything?
Oakland has several titles in its history but not much success since the advent of free agency. They do have a basketball team about to be in the Finals though.
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Porto, yes
Porto had a miracle run under the greatest manager in recent memory. They also got in right before big money really took over the sport. They are the last team not from England, Italy, Germany, or Spain to win and before them you have to go all the way back to Ajax 20 years ago.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:27 pm to RandySavage
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Nobody here has listed a single European city that has won a title in the last 15-20 years that is not in the top 5 markets in their country.
I´ve listed Porto, which is like saying Hattiesburg, MS won the Superbowl (impossible, yet Porto did win the CL).
What are you even arguing? That the round robin communist lottery produces sporadic mid market winners.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:29 pm to RandySavage
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I would say NY to Cleveland is very similar to London to Porto.
Mmmmh, London and NYC are roughly similar, and Cleveland doubles Porto. This makes no sense.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, we just reject your version of how to compare. We want to compare Europe as a whole to the U.S. as a whole, which is the closest apples to apples comparison you're going to find.
How is this possible when all U.S. teams compete against each other when only a very select few European teams do?
The European system you are backing is not just the European competitions but the domestic ones as well.
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You seem to want to compare places like Portugal by themselves to the U.S., which is of course ridiculous.
Even looking at the UCL (Europe) like a whole to compare with the United States I just pointed out that there has been 1 country outside the big 4 to win it in 20 years.
Either way the little guy has virtually no chance at all in Europe either domestically or continentally compared with the United States.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:30 pm to RandySavage
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They also got in right before big money really took over the sport.
The "big money" was already in the sport when Porto won.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:32 pm to Dandy Lion
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I´ve listed Porto, which is like saying Hattiesburg, MS won the Superbowl (impossible, yet Porto did win the CL).
The second biggest market in probably the sixth most prominent soccer nation. Similar to Pittsburgh the second biggest market in probably the sixth biggest US market state. Also, Porto was an outlier fluke.
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What are you even arguing? That the round robin communist lottery produces sporadic mid market winners.
I'm arguing that whether you love it or hate it it provides for more balanced competition which DS tried to argue several pages back when he claimed that only big market US teams have a chance to win as well when it was used against the European system.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:33 pm to Dandy Lion
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Cleveland doubles Porto
Dear God
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:34 pm to nvasil1
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The "big money" was already in the sport when Porto won.
Nothing like on the scale it is today. Not even close and to even suggest otherwise shows an incredible amount of ignorance.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:36 pm to RandySavage
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Either way the little guy has virtually no chance at all in Europe either domestically or continentally compared with the United States.
You can thank UEFA for the Bosman ruling and the allowance of teams that didn't win their domestic league into the Champions League.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:38 pm to nvasil1
I'm not concerned about why in this thread just making the obvious and easy point that it's a fact.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:40 pm to RandySavage
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Either way the little guy has virtually no chance at all in Europe either domestically or continentally compared with the United States.
As we've shown, that just isn't true in Europe.
It is on an individual country basis but you're dealing with nations so much smaller than the United States that it's a grossly unfair comparison.
If Louisiana had its own league in any sport, it would be dominated by Baton Rouge and New Orleans, with occasional incursions by Laffayette or Shreveport. You think Bunkie would ever have a shot?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:40 pm to RandySavage
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Nothing like on the scale it is today.
The Galacticos were already around and Porto knocked out a certain club owned by Roman Abramovich in the CL semi.
You said in another thread once that was when the "big money era" began for you.
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