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re: Why are european clubs so quick to fire managers?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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As already said, a degree of uncertainty is one thing, full on parity is something completely different.
No league in the world has full on parity even in college sports, but there is a reason people adore their being Cinderella teams in the NCAA tournament.
People love the FA cup for example for days like we had earlier this year when Chelsea, City, and Tottenham all got knocked out by smaller clubs on the same day.
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you're not even making sense now.
Do I seriously have to explain that to you.
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:12 pm to RandySavage
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So to compete in your own country you have to be a top 4 city and to compete in Europe you have to be a top 5 city in a top 5 country as well.
Sounds like the USofA to me (substitute ´your region, division, conference´ for ´country´).
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:20 pm to RandySavage
That's not the same as "only New York or LA" as you claimed, which is the point.
I don't have a problem with that though because it's the free market at work. What I don't like is the leagues manipulating their position via bogus anti-trust exemptions to create a de facto monopoly over major competition in each of their respective sports. They have abused that position to restrict worker rights and bilk taxpayers out of billions on publicly funded stadiums. Their closed systems hurt fans who have to endure largely meaningless seasons at exhorbinate prices with no punishment for those who manage their teams poorly. And fans accept and even defend these systems because it's all they know.
I also don't like that so many people defend it when if it were any other sphere of life they would see it for what it is. And don't even get me started on the sham that is the NCAA but at least most people see that joke for what it is.
I don't have a problem with that though because it's the free market at work. What I don't like is the leagues manipulating their position via bogus anti-trust exemptions to create a de facto monopoly over major competition in each of their respective sports. They have abused that position to restrict worker rights and bilk taxpayers out of billions on publicly funded stadiums. Their closed systems hurt fans who have to endure largely meaningless seasons at exhorbinate prices with no punishment for those who manage their teams poorly. And fans accept and even defend these systems because it's all they know.
I also don't like that so many people defend it when if it were any other sphere of life they would see it for what it is. And don't even get me started on the sham that is the NCAA but at least most people see that joke for what it is.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:20 pm to Dandy Lion
You'd have a point if that were actually true.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:22 pm to Dandy Lion
Not really. It would basically be the same thing as only teams from the largest cities in Texas, California, New York, Florida, and Pennsylvania or Illinois were capable of winning championships.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:23 pm to RTR America
How is it not true?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Like RTR pointed out people defend it and leagues accept it because they wouldn't be financially viable if they operated the way you want them to.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I don't have a problem with that though because it's the free market at work. What I don't like is the leagues manipulating their position via bogus anti-trust exemptions to create a de facto monopoly over major competition in each of their respective sports. They have abused that position to restrict worker rights and bilk taxpayers out of billions on publicly funded stadiums. Their closed systems hurt fans who have to endure largely meaningless seasons at exhorbinate prices with no punishment for those who manage their teams poorly. And fans accept and even defend these systems because it's all they know.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:26 pm to Dandy Lion
Because small market teams have been super viable championship teams for at least the last decade+.
The two favorites for the NBA championship play in Oakland and Cleveland.
The two favorites for the NBA championship play in Oakland and Cleveland.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:27 pm to RandySavage
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because they wouldn't be financially viable if they operated the way you want them to.
Sure they would. There are no shortage of people interested in buying European clubs. If it works there why wouldn't it work here?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:29 pm to RTR America
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The two favorites for the NBA championship play in Oakland and Cleveland.
Yall talk about places like Oakland and Cleveland like they are Opelika
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:30 pm to RandySavage
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Not really. It would basically be the same thing as only teams from the largest cities in Texas, California, New York, Florida, and Pennsylvania or Illinois were capable of winning championships.
I just don't think that's true. If Milwaukee offered a player the most money then odds are he would go there.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:30 pm to RandySavage
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Not really. It would basically be the same thing as only teams from the largest cities in Texas, California, New York, Florida, and Pennsylvania or Illinois were capable of winning championships.
Pretty much the case (with the odd exception, of course).
Each conference/division could be the loose equivalent of a country (disregard the fact that they are no longer fully applicable, due to population shift and franchise movement). Four or five of the larger cities in the area.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:31 pm to RTR America
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The two favorites for the NBA championship play in Oakland and Cleveland.
Both are markets on par with many larger European markets, and equal or superior to second tier European markets. What is your point?
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:33 pm to Dandy Lion
They are some of the smaller markets in professional American sports.Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:35 pm to RTR America
and?
Yet they are still 400K or so, and as mentioned previously, Porto is about 200K (and has ´won it all´).
Your point makes no sense.
Yet they are still 400K or so, and as mentioned previously, Porto is about 200K (and has ´won it all´).
Your point makes no sense.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:36 pm to Dandy Lion
How in the world did you come to the decision that making a 1 to 1 comparison made any sort of sense in this discussion?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:47 pm to RTR America
Actually, it´s two to one, or one to two.
This point is raised by your ´smallest markets´ comment.
Porto is a ´small market´.
This point is raised by your ´smallest markets´ comment.
Porto is a ´small market´.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Yall talk about places like Oakland and Cleveland like they are Opelika
NY/LA to Cleveland is probably a bigger dropoff than Manchester and Liverpool to Stoke.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:53 pm to RTR America
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RTR America
DS and Dandy have no idea what relativity is apparently.
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