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re: Why are european clubs so quick to fire managers?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:51 am to Helo
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:51 am to Helo
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You pretty must screwed your argument with this statement. Plenty of NA sports teams care as much about their team culture as they do winning. You see it more in College but it is still very much prevalent in Pro sports.
The Browns sucked for decades yet packed their stadium. Same for Baltimore Colts in the late years.
Winning isn't everything but if you don't care about winning nor try to win you have no business playing above jr levels.
I see you don't understand the difference either. Noted.
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:52 am to Helo
Seriously. My favorite league is the NBA and it seemingly has the least amount of parity of any America professional league. If I had a championship or bust attitude it would be a very miserable experience.
I personally hate the soccer fan idea of calling out these leagues for how they are structured. Ultimately these leagues are in it to make a profit. They believe it is their best interest to make their leagues relatively competitive from top to bottom.
I personally hate the soccer fan idea of calling out these leagues for how they are structured. Ultimately these leagues are in it to make a profit. They believe it is their best interest to make their leagues relatively competitive from top to bottom.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:54 am to Dandy Lion
Yeah it seems like it easier to displace blame here. A lot of assistant coaches and a GM to deal with.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:03 pm to RTR America
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Ultimately these leagues are in it to make a profit. They believe it is their best interest to make their leagues relatively competitive from top to bottom.
It´s a commie franchise system........
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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How would have felt if, upon graduation, you were told you must ply your trade in city x and you have no say in the matter?
They have a super specific skill set. Some people graduate with very specific degrees and most of them are willing to go somewhere they will be able to make the most money. Basketball players for example could go anywhere in the world if they wanted to, but most decide to play in the States because of their potential earnings and that it is the biggest league in the world.
The Grizzlies have a player on their roster right now, Nick Calathes, who after leaving Florida decided to skip out on the draft to go play in Greece.
Plus you act like it only the owners/leagues that makes these decisions. All of these rules you bemoan are collectively bargained by the players along with the owners/league.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:05 pm to Dandy Lion
They are for-profit organizations that make a lot of fricking profit.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
We usually disagree a lot but I can usually respect your opinions and your attempts to explain your positions but I don't even know how to respond to the level of ignorance you are displaying right now.
You are now comparing small states the same as major European countries.
In your example Louisiana is like Moldova. Do you seem teams from Moldova competing in Europe?
You are now comparing small states the same as major European countries.
In your example Louisiana is like Moldova. Do you seem teams from Moldova competing in Europe?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It does because as you said yourself you don't see the reason for a team to even exist of it can't realistically compete at the highest levels. It's the foundation of your entire mindset on this issue.
Again, entirely separate thread. What we are talking about right now is being able to compete and win.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:18 pm to RTR America
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They have a super specific skill set. Some people graduate with very specific degrees and most of them are willing to go somewhere they will be able to make the most money.
In no other area of life are two parties who want to contract with each other prevented from doing so. It's absurd but people just accept it because it's all they know and they like getting drunk on a random friday in April or early May.
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The Grizzlies have a player on their roster right now, Nick Calathes, who after leaving Florida decided to skip out on the draft to go play in Greece.
As basketball grows around the world the NBA will be forced to open things up a bit more. It's going to take a long time though.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:19 pm to RTR America
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Plus you act like it only the owners/leagues that makes these decisions. All of these rules you bemoan are collectively bargained by the players along with the owners/league.
Owners/leagues have done a good job duping the players unions i'll give you that but in this specific scenario the player isn't in the league yet and thus is not represented by the players union in the first place.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:22 pm to RTR America
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I personally hate the soccer fan idea of calling out these leagues for how they are structured.
And i personally hate the fan who unquestioningly parrots the owners' arguments and supports the american system that's worse for players and worse for fans than what exists overseas.
The only people it works better for is the owners and sorry but i don't care about them.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:23 pm to RandySavage
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Do you seem teams from Moldova competing in Europe?
Do you see the Hunstville Stars competing in the World Series?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:24 pm to RandySavage
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Except for it's the 4th largest city in Italy compared with Green Bay which is the 70th largest market in the U.S.
I actually wasn't trying to necessarily argue against your point which is why I brought up that Torino was the richest Italian city after Milano when Juve rose to prominence and, more importantly, had the massive political and financial power of Fiat behind them.
However, that Juve shared the limelight there with Torino FC meant that marketing outside of their city was much more important to their success than market size, which is still where they struggle compared to other European giants.
My point was mainly that Juve is a pretty particular example that has the "de facto" Italian NT angle which makes it hard to categorize by market size.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Or you know the fans. Again the players have options to go play all over the world. China for example his dropping boat loads of cash on American players.
Their goal as an organization is to produce a product that people will consume. Most normal people love parity when it comes to sports unless they are either jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon or their favorite team is a perennial favorite. 99% of EPL fans could have told you who was going to be in the top 6 and most would have picked Chelsea to win the title, but just the shred of possible parity week to week is what makes it the most popular league in the world. There is a reason you aren't going to run in to many non Barcelona/Real Madrid supporters in other countries. It is boring.
Their goal as an organization is to produce a product that people will consume. Most normal people love parity when it comes to sports unless they are either jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon or their favorite team is a perennial favorite. 99% of EPL fans could have told you who was going to be in the top 6 and most would have picked Chelsea to win the title, but just the shred of possible parity week to week is what makes it the most popular league in the world. There is a reason you aren't going to run in to many non Barcelona/Real Madrid supporters in other countries. It is boring.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:39 pm to RTR America
As previously mentioned, studies have shown that parity has no impact on fan interest.
Saying "they can go play in China if they don't like it" is not a sufficient response. It's a really lazy argument actually and proves that you have no good argument as to why two parties who want to do business should be prevented from contracting with each other.
Saying "they can go play in China if they don't like it" is not a sufficient response. It's a really lazy argument actually and proves that you have no good argument as to why two parties who want to do business should be prevented from contracting with each other.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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As previously mentioned, studies have shown that parity has no impact on fan interest.
Except all of the metrics that prove otherwise.
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Saying "they can go play in China if they don't like it" is not a sufficient response. It's a really lazy argument actually and proves that you have no good argument as to why two parties who want to do business should be prevented from contracting with each other.
I actually think this comment does a hell of a job of proving
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that you have no good argument
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's a really lazy argument
From the guy who equates Louisiana and Wisconsin to a major European nation.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:01 pm to RTR America
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Except all of the metrics that prove otherwise.
As already said, a degree of uncertainty is one thing, full on parity is something completely different.
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I actually think this comment does a hell of a job of proving
you're not even making sense now. Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:03 pm to RandySavage
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From the guy who equates Louisiana and Wisconsin to a major European nation.
It's an imperfect comparison, but you can't talk about European success and then cite how big a city is only relative to its own country.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:07 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's an imperfect comparison, but you can't talk about European success and then cite how big a city is only relative to its own country.
Well would it matter if you also realized the only countries that win Europe now are the 4 of the six biggest and richest (outside Russia).
So to compete in your own country you have to be a top 4 city and to compete in Europe you have to be a top 5 city in a top 5 country as well.
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