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Title IX the reason the USA is a women's but not a men's power...
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:27 pm
For many schools, like LSU, soccer is a women's only sport. Volleyball and gymnastics are other sports that are predominantly women-only at colleges, as are both at LSU.
The USWNT has now won three Women's World Cup titles, the first country to do that. The US men have never won a title.
Many NCAA men's sports were dismantled, despite popularity, in order to balance scholarships between men's and women's teams, in order to comply with Title IX.
This explains why more colleges in the US don't offer men's soccer scholarships or compete for NCAA men's soccer championships.
It may be, with rising amounts of money from conference networks, that men's soccer is added at more schools.
Even so, it would probably take at least a decade for men's soccer participation to grow to the level of women's programs.
Maybe then, the US men will become more of a force to be reckoned with in the world of soccer.
The USWNT has now won three Women's World Cup titles, the first country to do that. The US men have never won a title.
Many NCAA men's sports were dismantled, despite popularity, in order to balance scholarships between men's and women's teams, in order to comply with Title IX.
This explains why more colleges in the US don't offer men's soccer scholarships or compete for NCAA men's soccer championships.
It may be, with rising amounts of money from conference networks, that men's soccer is added at more schools.
Even so, it would probably take at least a decade for men's soccer participation to grow to the level of women's programs.
Maybe then, the US men will become more of a force to be reckoned with in the world of soccer.
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:29 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Don't think it has any impact on the men's game imo
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:30 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
This is ignorant.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:30 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Yeah, its definitely the college soccer in Germany, Italy, Spain, Brazil and Argentina that we're lagging behind.
College soccer is the reasons the women dominate.
A lack of college soccer has nothing to do with the men not dominating.
College soccer is the reasons the women dominate.
A lack of college soccer has nothing to do with the men not dominating.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:31 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Disagree--the biggest reason is soccer is an afterthought on the men's side. Soccer has to compete with baseball, football, basketball, and hockey for the best athletes. Football is almost exclusively male (there are a few high schools where the girls play flag football and there's no WFB at the college level). Softball is growing on the college level but doesn't have a serious pro league. Soccer gets a much higher percentage of the top female athletes in the US.
We've never been a serious contender in men's soccer because the best male athletes go into more popular sports.
We've never been a serious contender in men's soccer because the best male athletes go into more popular sports.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:33 pm to geauxtigers87
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Advocates of Title IX's current interpretation cite increases in female athletic participation, and attribute those increases to Title IX. One study, completed in 2006, pointed to a large increase in the number of women participating in athletics at both the high school and college level. The number of women in high school sports had increased by a factor of nine, while the number of women in college sports had increased by more than 450%. A 2008 study of intercollegiate athletics showed that women's collegiate sports has grown to 9,101 teams, or 8.65 per school. The five most frequently offered college sports for women are, in order: (1) Basketball, 98.8% of schools have a team, (2) Volleyball, 95.7%, (3) Soccer, 92.0%, (4) Cross Country, 90.8%, and (5) Softball, 89.2%.
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:35 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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We've never been a serious contender in men's soccer because the best male athletes go into more popular sports.
Also untrue.
We're every bit as athletic as the other teams in the world cup. They don't out-athlete us. In fact, we are generally among the more athletic of the teams.
We need a larger number of kids focusing exclusively on soccer at an earlier age. Then we need those kids focusing on technical abilities and having the ball constantly at their feet rather than winning 11 on 11 games by kicking it and running faster to the ball.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:35 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Nailed it.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:37 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Trollolololol
Has nothing to do with the women's game being a recent development that we were there for the inception of.
Has nothing to do with the women's game being a recent development that we were there for the inception of.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:38 pm to Tigerstark
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We're every bit as athletic as the other teams in the world cup. They don't out-athlete us.
What country are you watching?This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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What country are you watching?
Clearly the one you don't watch...
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:41 pm to Broski
homer post is homerish. We aren't on the level of the best of the world on the men's side. Don't be ridiculous.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:44 pm to Tigerstark
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We need a larger number of kids focusing exclusively on soccer at an earlier age. Then we need those kids focusing on technical abilities and having the ball constantly at their feet rather than winning 11 on 11 games by kicking it and running faster to the ball.
In order to increase the number of men playing soccer in the US, you need to provide a place where they can play.
In order for men's soccer to be popular at the high school level, you need more colleges offering scholarships for men. More high school teams means more grammar school teams, etc.
At this time there are 206 NCAA Division I men's soccer programs in the US vs. 328 women's programs.
Just the facts...
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:47 pm to LNCHBOX
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homer post is homerish. We aren't on the level of the best of the world on the men's side.
Agree.
Germany and Brazil and Italy don't have American football, or baseball, or hockey, to any significant degree. The best athletes there focus on soccer and only soccer.
In the US, boys want to grow up to be Peyton Manning or DeMarco Murray or LBJ or Justin Verlander. We'll catch up in men's soccer only when and if they start wanting to be Tim Howard or Landon Donovan.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:49 pm to LNCHBOX
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homer post is homerish. We aren't on the level of the best of the world on the men's side. Don't be ridiculous.
In terms of athleticism, we are.
The difference is that the best teams in the world have all been playing together for a majority of their lives. Athleticism will get you so far, but experience and teamwork are intangible, and we haven't hit that point because we don't have the level of youth programs that they do. We also don't put the same resources and investment into the sport, but that is changing.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:51 pm to Bluefin
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Athleticism will get you so far, but experience and teamwork are intangible, and we haven't hit that point because we don't have the level of youth programs that they do. We also don't put the same resources and investment into the sport, but that is changing.
Exactly what I'm trying to say. More college programs would lead inevitably to more high school programs, and so on down the line.
I hope to live to see men's soccer become a full-fledged sport at LSU, and in the SEC as a whole.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:54 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
You do realize you can't play year round as a collegiate athlete right?
To further that point, you also take into account class and mandatory studying/tutoring sessions and you have an athlete that can't focus on soccer. If the goal is to further the game by investing in it, then COLLEGE IS NOT THE WAY. Compare a Spanish 18 year old vs an American. The level of training is not even close to being the same.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think you can wait until college to start receiving and participating in training to make you world class. It would be so detrimental.
To further that point, you also take into account class and mandatory studying/tutoring sessions and you have an athlete that can't focus on soccer. If the goal is to further the game by investing in it, then COLLEGE IS NOT THE WAY. Compare a Spanish 18 year old vs an American. The level of training is not even close to being the same.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think you can wait until college to start receiving and participating in training to make you world class. It would be so detrimental.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:56 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:56 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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order for men's soccer to be popular at the high school level, you need more colleges offering scholarships for men. More high school teams means more grammar school teams, etc.
At this time there are 206 NCAA Division I men's soccer programs in the US vs. 328 women's programs.
Just the facts...
Just the facts, but none of the countries better than us have college soccer (other than just people putzing around).
Their entire structure is based upon the clubs identifying and developing young talent. We are making strides in this area with our MLS and national team academies, but are still far behind. If you want our best guys playing for free in college (and having a "20 hour a week limit" while theirs play for millions and can spend every waking hour training, and think this will allow us to compete better, I can't help you. I suspect your a troll anyway.
Soccer interest is growing. MLS revenue is higher. It takes time, but eventually we'll have the same basic structure as the Euro leagues.
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