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re: Title IX the reason the USA is a women's but not a men's power...
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:23 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:23 pm to LNCHBOX
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If by athlete all you mean is our guys can physically stay in the pitch for 90 minutes, sure we're equal
No as is we don't play teams with better athletes aside from the Africa teams who also lack the technical aspects from coaching.
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:24 pm to Broski
There's nothing ridiculous about it. But please deflect from countering some more.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:26 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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College soccer would be the driving force behind the increasing the level of participation in soccer at all age levels for men.
More likely that growth in men's soccer will be the result of concussion paranoia and parents keeping their sons out of football (even though futbol is a major concussion sport too, just without the reputation for head injuries).
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:26 pm to MustangReb
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In fact, my fear on the women's side is that eventually the Germans, Spanish, etc will start applying their development model for male soccer players to their women's clubs... if that happens, the high school + pay-to-play travel team -> college soccer -> pro soccer model will be as much a weakness for the USWNT as it is for the USMNT.
Already happened in England with the premiere league clubs and their women's teams. The league will be legit and we will start seeing our best American women playing in it. It has real financial backing unlike the American Leagues for women.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Free college or become a pro at 17 or 18
Those number of those guys will never increase until soccer becomes more popular at the national level.
For every male or female that play professionally in this country, there at least a thousand making their way through life outside of sports.
You need to increase the pool of players. Increased opportunities to play college soccer, would lead to more males playing it at the high school level. More high school programs means more junior high, etc.
It's really not hard, guys. Or we could just keep doing like we're doing now, and never win anything.
If things were working ok already, you guys might have a point. But they're not working ok.
Bottom line.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:28 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
You're retarded. Not really sure what else to say. College soccer isn't going to make us compete with the best as a legit contender. It's laughable how ridiculous that notion is.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:29 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Professional youth academy then becoming a pro>>>>>>>>>> college soccer
Trying to argue otherwise is fricking stupid.
Watch college soccer and the watch a European u-19 teams play then get back to us.
Trying to argue otherwise is fricking stupid.
Watch college soccer and the watch a European u-19 teams play then get back to us.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:33 pm to LNCHBOX
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Not really sure what else to say.
That's apparent. No other method is going to work in this country. Until men's soccer becomes more visible at all age levels, none of kind of stuff the Europeans and South Americans are doing will ever happen.
You need to start somewhere, and this is where it would start for us. And I believe that it will start this way.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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fricking stupid.
...is having the whole linear structure of what I'm saying go over your head.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Professional youth academy then becoming a pro>>>>>>>>>> college soccer
This is the absolute truth. College soccer absolutely should be an option for those who aren't good enough to go pro immediately but it can't be the foundation of our model for developing professional players in soccer.
The top American players need to be graduating from high school and going straight into a professional organization... here or in Europe.
One of the big reasons our top players tend to be far less technically developed is because our top players spent 3-4 years spending more time in classrooms studying biology and marketing than they did on the pitch developing their skills.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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College soccer isn't going to make us compete with the best as a legit contender. It's laughable how ridiculous that notion is.
True.
I watch soccer occasionally and I remember watching a college soccer game a few years ago and compared it to the ball I saw over in Europe at private academies. It was crazy how much more potent it was than college here. It was faster, more aggressive and disciplined. It was like night and day.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:46 pm to MustangReb
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The top American players need to be graduating from high school and going straight into a professional organization
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You need to increase the pool of players. Increased opportunities to play college soccer, would lead to more males playing it at the high school level. More high school programs means more junior high, etc.
You need to start somewhere. The US is decades, if ever, away from having anything like the Europeans have. And we'll never even have a chance of getting there unless we increase the pool of players. It's a numbers game.
Title IX had a direct impact on the number of women playing soccer. Everyone agrees on that. Because...
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You need to increase the pool of players. Increased opportunities to play college soccer, would lead to more females playing it at the high school level. More high school programs means more junior high, etc.
We've already seen the results of that. Three Women's World Cup titles.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:52 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Dude stop. The serious overhaul we have on the national development level to get on par with Europe has us trying to deemphasize college soccer. And you're calling for us to make it more important. No.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:00 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
frick Title IX for killing men's college soccer. Football should be excluded. I assume this has been said, I just didn't feel like reading through the thread.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:01 pm to etm512
It order to get more males in this country to even try soccer, you need more programs at more levels.
College soccer was the catalyst for female programs at all age levels. Knowing that there was a next level to compete at meant more females were willing to try it.
It would be the same way for men. Athletes don't just walk down the street and suddenly decide to give soccer a try. They compete because there are programs for them to compete in. And then graduate to a higher level.
The numbers of high school athletes choosing to play soccer will never increase unless more programs for them to play for are created.
College soccer would do that for men, the way it did for women.
College soccer was the catalyst for female programs at all age levels. Knowing that there was a next level to compete at meant more females were willing to try it.
It would be the same way for men. Athletes don't just walk down the street and suddenly decide to give soccer a try. They compete because there are programs for them to compete in. And then graduate to a higher level.
The numbers of high school athletes choosing to play soccer will never increase unless more programs for them to play for are created.
College soccer would do that for men, the way it did for women.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:08 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
College soccer needs a place in our soccer culture, but any decent player should be coming through an MLS academy.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:10 pm to pvilleguru
The chance of that "decent player" happening will only increase with more programs.
Bottom line. Because that's what happened with the women's game.
Bottom line. Because that's what happened with the women's game.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:10 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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It order to get more males in this country to even try soccer, you need more programs at more levels.
Like private clubs and youth academies do. Any young player hoping for a future in the sport typically realizes this before they're high school age. More high school and college programs might increase the number of participants, but it's not going to develop better players.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:12 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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You need to start somewhere. The US is decades, if ever, away from having anything like the Europeans have. And we'll never even have a chance of getting there unless we increase the pool of players. It's a numbers game.
Just because more kids are playing doesn't mean a more talented pool is developing. Who are coaching these kids? Who is recognizing their technical ability and harnessing it to be developed further? Where are they going to school solely to focus on soccer all day every day?
Creating world class players is a lifelong process, and it almost certainly can't be done with our high school/college structure.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:13 pm to nvasil1
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but it's not going to develop better players
The point is, you have a better chance to get "better players" if you have more players to choose from.
Again, this is what happened when more females started playing.
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