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re: Title IX the reason the USA is a women's but not a men's power...
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:18 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:18 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
quote:That "decent" player needs to be found before he ever reaches the college ranks. Playing in college would only limit his growth.
The chance of that "decent player" happening will only increase with more programs.
Bottom line. Because that's what happened with the women's game
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:18 pm to Bluefin
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Creating world class players is a lifelong process
...that will never happen in this country without more opportunity to play.
There are any number of athletes already present in this country who could have been very good soccer players...if they had made that choice.
The fact that they didn't choose to play soccer is the heart of the problem. I'd bet that for the vast majority of athletes in this country, there were no school-sanctioned programs at the grammar or high school level in their state.
That's what an increase of men's college soccer programs would change.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:19 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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The point is, you have a better chance to get "better players" if you have more players to choose from.
Not if most are playing for high school or college programs. The better players will be developed at the club and academy level.
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Again, this is what happened when more females started playing
Stop comparing it to the women's game. It's not the same thing.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:20 pm to pvilleguru
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That "decent" player needs to be found before he ever reaches the college ranks. Playing in college would only limit his growth.
College soccer is the means by which more players at all age levels would play in the first place. Not everyone finds their level right off the bat.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:22 pm to nvasil1
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Stop comparing it to the women's game. It's not the same thing.
It would have the same affect though, albeit for different reasons. Namely, in order to get more athletes to choose playing, you need a program where they can start playing.
More people playing soccer means more programs. That's what happened with the women's game.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:46 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
The big difference is that, with the exception of Brazil and a few others, most of the soccer stars that populate the international women's teams are NCAA stars.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:55 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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most of the soccer stars that populate the international women's teams are NCAA stars
...and they wouldn't be there, if Title IX hadn't increased the number of college programs. Which in turn, led to the increase of female soccer programs at all age levels.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 11:04 pm to Bestbank Tiger
We were late to the party on women's soccer also. The first international women's tournament that we participated in, we sent high school girls from Dallas (Sting), to play the other international teams. (Our high schoolers beat them all and won the tourney).
Posted on 7/5/15 at 11:06 pm to Xenophon
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We were late to the party on women's soccer also. The first international women's tournament that we participated in, we sent high school girls from Dallas (Sting), to play the other international teams. (Our high schoolers beat them all and won the tourney).
People use "cool story bro" a lot around here. But that really is a cool story!
Posted on 7/5/15 at 11:14 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
i forget which ones, but a couple of those girls were also on the 91 and 99 teams that won the WC. I believe the tourney they won as high schoolers was in 81 or 84.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:43 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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...is having the whole linear structure of what I'm saying go over your head.
It's clear you have no basic knowledge of soccer development
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:19 am to StraightCashHomey21
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It's clear you have no
...reading comprehension.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 4:07 am to TigersOfGeauxld
still waiting for you to make a valid point
showing at least some basic understanding.
showing at least some basic understanding.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 4:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
I wish I could say I was waiting on you to understand what I wrote.
Maybe if we had an example of soccer growing in popularity, and succeeding on the international stage because of more college programs being added...
...maybe then you'd understand.
Maybe if we had an example of soccer growing in popularity, and succeeding on the international stage because of more college programs being added...
...maybe then you'd understand.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 4:22 am to TigersOfGeauxld
You are insanely thick
College soccer is not going to make the mens game better.
College soccer is not going to make the mens game better.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 4:23 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 4:45 am to StraightCashHomey21
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You are insanely thick
Well there's irony for you...
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College soccer is not going to make the mens game better.
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“Come on,” Bruce Arena says. “We can’t copy what Brazil does or Germany does or England does. When we get it right, it’s going to be because the solutions are right here. We have the best sports facilities in the world. Why can’t we trust in that?”
NY Times
Seems not everyone agrees with you...shocking.
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At the end of the NCAA college season, there is a college soccer 'draft', and during this draft the Professional Clubs in the USA can opt to draft the most talented college players to the professional leagues directly from college. The Professional Leagues who have the opportunity to cast their picks are usually the MLS (Major League Soccer) and the MISL (Major Indoor Soccer League), with the lower professional leagues such as USL1 and NASL having other ways to draft
I bet you had no clue about this. None at all.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 5:06 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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I bet you had no clue about this. None at all.
Anyone who follows American soccer knows about the drafts.
You have no idea what you are talking about
College soccer is pretty bad and more programs won't make it better. Who is going to coach all these kids. At 18 or 19 college players are light years behind kids going through Academies.
Line up a college all star XI vs just about any EPL U-21 side and it would be a massacre.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 5:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
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You have no idea what you are talking about
Funny, I've been thinking the same thing about you.
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College soccer is pretty bad and more programs won't make it better.
You really can't see the forest for the trees, can you? Women's soccer improved entirely because of Title IX...and that's not just my opinion.
As I said before in this thread...
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Namely, in order to get more athletes to choose playing, you need a program where they can start playing.
More people playing soccer means more programs. That's what happened with the women's game.
And that's exactly what did happen...more college programs led to more high school programs. More high school programs meant more athletes chose to begin a soccer career instead of another sport.
That's how it has to begin in this country. The USA is the fourth-largest country by population in the world. Yet only a tiny fraction of men in this country. choose to begin playing soccer, mainly because in many states there are no programs for them to entice them, or at least not enough.
College programs would help that...just as it did for the women. Having another level of play to graduate to would help more youngsters choose to play soccer. As it is, many young boys start playing, then quit or switch to another sport that's more organized and supported.
The women's game works in this country. The men could take a lesson from them.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 5:36 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Have you ever watched college soccer?
have you ever watched pro clubs youth teams?
its fricking night and day
College soccer no matter how many people play will never be as good as youth academy soccer.
Amateur athletes who have limits on how much they can practice vs professional players the same age stand no chance.
These kids in youth academies are playing 24/7 by the time they reach college age and are way better than their college counter parts. More programs isn't going to change that.
Stop thinking the American way is always the right way.
have you ever watched pro clubs youth teams?
its fricking night and day
College soccer no matter how many people play will never be as good as youth academy soccer.
Amateur athletes who have limits on how much they can practice vs professional players the same age stand no chance.
These kids in youth academies are playing 24/7 by the time they reach college age and are way better than their college counter parts. More programs isn't going to change that.
Stop thinking the American way is always the right way.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 5:48 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Stop thinking
...why don't you try and start?
You keep looking at the wrong end of the telescope. It's just not about the college players...it's about the young players that will choose to play soccer in the first place because there are programs for them at age levels where athletes choose what sports to play...the programs that don't exist now.
Title IX helped create those programs for women. Because there were more programs to play for at the college level, more high schools started programs. And because more high school programs existed, more young girls chose to play soccer instead of other pursuits.
We know this because it worked. Worked to the point where US women's soccer is the best on the planet.
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More programs isn't going to change that.
You clueless dunderhead...that's exactly what it will do. Because more players will exist. It's human nature to keep playing if there's a higher level to play at.
Not all of them will be good enough for international play, but the pool of players is too shallow in this country. Because not enough players either start or keep playing after they start.
Sheesh.
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