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re: Liverpool FC 2011/12 Season Thread
Posted on 3/7/12 at 7:32 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Posted on 3/7/12 at 7:32 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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RAHEEM STERLING!
is the first name I had in mind. But I'm also excited about the potential of Suso, Coady, Ngoo, and I still haven't given up on Danny Wilson. You're right, our academy has been great to us over the last 20 years...let's hope it will continue to be as fruitful in the future, we're definitely going to need it.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 7:35 pm to Meursault
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Tell that to Ajax fans, and Uruguayans.
This is what puzzles me...he seems to score at will for these sides. Granted, it does help when he's surrounded by Forlani and Cavani. But he didn't have any more talent around him at Ajax than he does now.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 7:44 pm to xavierTIGER
Christian Ericksen is better than any other mid-fielder besides a healthy Gerrard than Pool currently has.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 7:54 pm to glassman
I think Eriksen is going to be a good one...he'll end up at United before we could sign him though. Conor Coady is a young mid from Liverpool in our reserves that will be in the first team sooner or later. Also, I think Jordan Henderson could be really good in the midfield if he gets moved inside where he is better suited.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:05 pm to xavierTIGER
Ericksen fits Arsenal's play so well it will be a shame to play against him when he is the bosss of redface's mid-field.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:28 pm to xavierTIGER
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But he didn't have any more talent around him at Ajax than he does now.
also didn't play competition or defenses similar to what he's seeing now. And the talent he had behind him there far outpaces Liverpool's in relation to the rest of the respective leagues.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:44 pm to Meursault
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His shots are from absolutely impossible angles.
You must be seeing something I'm not. He has missed some unbelievably "easy" goals this year. It's true that he takes some shots from impossible angles, but he has also missed plenty from in front of goal.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:47 pm to glassman
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Christian Ericksen
Would love to have him. Hopefully we can get him and he can create an Ajax-connection with Suarez.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:48 pm to LfcSU3520
So what's the excuse for him not scoring at the same pace against the Wolves, Wigans, Boltons, etc. of the PL as he did in Holland? Both he and his support at Liverpool out class those sides. I agree to an extent, but there's more to it than "England's harder".
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:53 pm to LfcSU3520
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also didn't play competition or defenses similar to what he's seeing now. And the talent he had behind him there far outpaces Liverpool's in relation to the rest of the respective leagues.
Exactly what I was going to follow up with. In my opinion Robin van Persie would struggle to find goals with this disaster of a midfield. In its current state it truly is a total disaster. They can possess, and pass it around but cannot formulate any attack moving forward. Until we get there I'm not expecting goals.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:57 pm to xavierTIGER
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Also, I think Jordan Henderson could be really good in the midfield if he gets moved inside where he is better suited.
This is Liverpool's problem in a nutshell.
No identity.
Kenny needs to make up his mind. Does he want a Suarez/Carroll partnership up top? Or does he want to go the route of just Suarez?
If Carroll/Suarez:
1. He MUST MUST MUST start both of them every game. It is the absolute only way to create a partnership. Carroll riding the pine isn't helping the club.
2. Bring in another true winger. Downing needs to be moved to the right and Kenny needs to bring in a winger capable of playing off of Enrique. Henderson is out of position out wide and doesn't have the pace or technical ability to play RW.
If Suarez:
1. Bring in a creative CM (Aquilani, Henderson, Eriksen). Suarez needs to be surrounded by other creators like he is at Uruguay. We have all watched his fancy flicks and passes that lead to turnovers because there is nobody else creative around him. He had a good link up with Kuyt in the Arsenal match (lead to the penalty) that needs to happen more.
2. Need a stable DM (Lucas, obviously) and holding mid (Gerrard, Adam (lol)).
3. Need a poacher. This is arguably the most important piece. Suarez and the CM would create so many "put away" opportunities for the other forward. Just need someone who will consistently convert the easy goals.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 8:59 pm to xavierTIGER
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So what's the excuse for him not scoring at the same pace against the Wolves, Wigans, Boltons, etc. of the PL as he did in Holland? Both he and his support at Liverpool out class those sides. I agree to an extent, but there's more to it than "England's harder".
Because he isn't a finisher. The sheer technical ability of the keepers in the EPL highlight this fact.
ETA Ajax has scored 4 goals in 10 out of 24 Eredivisie matches this year.
ETA2: The point is that Ajax is scoring nearly 3 goals a match without Suarez.
This post was edited on 3/7/12 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:08 pm to Meursault
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Robin van Persie would struggle to find goals with this disaster of a midfield
Which midfield? The one with Gerrard healthy or out? The one with Bellamy and Maxi pushing forward on the wings or the diamond with Lucas holding deep? Or the one with Downing and Henderson wildly sending crosses towards the box? I agree that the cluster frick that has been our midfield all year has contributed to Suarez' inability to score goals...but he has played alongside enough talent this year to have more than 6 prem goals (maybe 9-10 without the suspensions).
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:17 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Because he isn't a finisher
This is the statement that started this discussion and was refuted with goal stats from Ajax and Uraguay. I'm not sold on this as fact.
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The sheer technical ability of the keepers in the EPL highlight this fact.
I did see on r/liverpoolfc that something like 7 of the top 10 saves on MOTD for this season were against Liverpool, so admittedly there is better keeping in England (with a bit of luck).
eta: not to mention, he could play until he's 40 and not hit the posts as many times in one season again...terribly unlucky.
This post was edited on 3/7/12 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:20 pm to xavierTIGER
His stats from Ajax really shouldn't sway you. They are lighting up the goal scoring sheet this year (nearly 3 goals a match) without Suarez.
In relation to Uruguay, refer to his international goals to see who he is really scoring on:
LINK
Once again, he is preying on weak South American teams (not really his fault) with weak defenses/keepers.
ETA: And once again, I think the fact that he is having difficult times scoring on weaker teams is because of his finishing ability. He has struggled mightily this year and has had ample scoring opportunities.
In relation to Uruguay, refer to his international goals to see who he is really scoring on:
LINK
Once again, he is preying on weak South American teams (not really his fault) with weak defenses/keepers.
ETA: And once again, I think the fact that he is having difficult times scoring on weaker teams is because of his finishing ability. He has struggled mightily this year and has had ample scoring opportunities.
This post was edited on 3/7/12 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:36 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
One of my favorite sites (whoscored.com) does an awesome job of analyzing statistics that very few other sites can.
They rank Suarez as second in the league (only second to Adebayor) at missing "big chances."
They define "big chances" as:
They calculate that Suarez has had 21 BIG CHANCES and has missed 16 of them! 16! That is a conversion rate of 24%!!!
They rank Suarez as second in the league (only second to Adebayor) at missing "big chances."
They define "big chances" as:
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When we say big chances they do not all need to be as glaring a miss as that of Buszaky (sorry Akos) but include one on ones with the keeper and free headers from close range, as well as open goals etc.
They calculate that Suarez has had 21 BIG CHANCES and has missed 16 of them! 16! That is a conversion rate of 24%!!!
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:45 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I don't know the answer. If I had to guess, I'd have to say it's a combination of all the things we've listed. He's not a pure striker, but he's a proven scorer at a high enough level that it should translate to greater success in England than he's seen. But when you consider the fact that the midfield has changed weekly and has yet to exhibit any consistency at all and the off the pitch distractions/suspensions as well as the shite luck with the posts and the phenomenal keeping, I'm going to chalk this season up as an anomaly.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:46 pm to glassman
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Ericksen fits Arsenal's play so well it will be a shame to play against him when he is the bosss of redface's mid-field.
It's not a shoe in that he'll go to United. He's repeatedly said that he wants to stay at Ajax at least another year and maybe through his contract in 2014.
AS Roma's been his favorite club and Totti his idol since he was a kid as well. . .Dancing banana et al.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:47 pm to xavierTIGER
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xavierTIGER
See my post under that one.
Posted on 3/7/12 at 9:48 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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They calculate that Suarez has had 21 BIG CHANCES and has missed 16 of them! 16! That is a conversion rate of 24%!!!
And I tend to look at this article as a possible explanation why:
LINK
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Yet a decent proportion of Suárez's shots are self-created, following good movement into the channels, a quick turn and then a direct dart into the box. His shot after 40 minutes of Saturday's meeting with Arsenal was a fine example – he rolled Thomas Vermaelen, turned past Alex Song, skipped away from Bacary Sagna and then cut inside Laurent Koscielny within five seconds, to present himself with a clear sight of goal 10 yards out, having picked up the ball on the edge of the area with his back to goal. Having expended so much energy with the burst past opponents, and with his balance increasingly slipping away as he escaped past each challenge, in the end all he could manage was a tame, stabbed shot that was easily turned away by Wojciech Szczesny. How much credit do you give the player for creating the opportunity, and how much blame for squandering it? In a one-off incident it's an exceptional piece of skill. Yet when the pattern is repeated over a period of nearly 90 shots (not all in this fashion, of course), you wonder if Suárez is simply trying to do too much.
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Suárez's best role is up for debate – his good form at Ajax came when moving inside from a right-sided position, then with Uruguay he excelled at the Copa América last year when used as the primary striker. Importantly, he seemed to have much more of a defined role in the side, much stricter instructions. At Liverpool his role has varied between playing up front alone, and just behind Andy Carroll. He's generally been Liverpool's best attacking player this season – though Craig Bellamy has also played well – but too much of the play is dependent upon him, and he becomes the main man responsible for both creativity and goalscoring. To do two things at once is to do neither, Publilius Syrus once wrote, and Suarez's six goals are supplemented by a single assist.
Granted, pinning him down to a more specific role would be tricky considering the woes of his team-mates. You don't want to depend on Stewart Downing for service at the moment, nor on Carroll for goals, and Suárez often seems keener to go alone than involve certain other team-mates in his play. But one man running the show can cause others problems – David Beckham famously averted a crisis against Greece in 2001, but had probably contributed to the crisis with his positionless Roy of the Rovers act for much of the game.
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At heart Suárez is a goalscorer, and it is only fine margins costing him. He's hit the woodwork six times this season – as many times as he has scored. That record suggests that he's on the right track, and he can look to his opposing striker on Saturday to see how important a couple of inches can be – Robin van Persie was previously the king of hitting the woodwork, now he's the best finisher in the Premier League.
This post was edited on 3/7/12 at 9:51 pm
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