Let's talk JK and Bob Bradley

I think Jurgen was born to be a technical director type. He's optimistic and ambitious enough to really implement the things we need to improve overall as a footballing nation.

Bob's just a guy who likes two things in this world, Bruce Springsteen and soccer. I don't think he'd really even want that type of role. He doesn't seem to be too keen on all of the bullshite that goes along with it.

Jurgen's downfall will be his tinkering

He would rather experiment to find a better 11 than go with his best 11

It's a catch 22. Without playing together in defined roles, they will never develop into a cohesive unit and form the best 11 he is searching for.

As shite as he was, we got burned on set pieces. Plain and simple. It was a bad choice, but frankly, it wasn't the reason we lost. We can blame Jurgen, Guzan, the backline, Beckerman, or whoever else we want to blame, but like I've said a million times, you should put more than one in the back of the net when you have as many chances as we had. This match was a fluke, and it really just tipped the scales for the yearly "frick Jurgen" session. Everyone was waiting for this type of loss to solidify everything people have complained about (justifiably).

We played a LOT of younger guys in spite of the number of veterans in the 23, and we did a lot of wild shite tactically. It was bound to happen, and I really thought Haiti and Panama may do it earlier. I wish Panama would have, honestly, but it is what it is.

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As shite as he was, we got burned on set pieces. Plain and simple. It was a bad choice, but frankly, it wasn't the reason we lost. We can blame Jurgen, Guzan, the backline, Beckerman, or whoever else we want to blame, but like I've said a million times, you should put more than one in the back of the net when you have as many chances as we had.

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I think the point of the thread is that Jurgen's lineup decisions are kind of baffling. Better lineup decisions and we win that game.

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I think when the day comes that the U.S. is a serious world contender (the day will come) that we will be able to look back and say that the turnaround started with Klinsmann, but he is not the one that can lead us to where we want to be, in my opinion.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but I also think that a large part of the fanbase will fight kicking and screaming to resist Jurgen being the one to take us there, too. For all of the drama, Jurgen's been pretty damned successful with us. Looking at Mexico's managerial struggles and going through the Moyes era with United just recently, it drove home how easy it is for someone to walk into a decent situation and completely frick it up. We're not any worse than we were before, and we seem to be getting the resources in place to really attempt to take that next step.

Will that happen under Jurgen? Doubtful. I am a firm believer that we're a generation or two from seeing progress as a result of the increase in quality of players across the pool and the level of play that they are capable of. Our biggest problem is that for every class player we have, we have an equally shite player to complement them.

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I don't think we can open that door with Jurgen at the helm, but I also don't think we would even be in that neighborhood without Jurgen. His recruiting and enthusiasm has set us up very well going forward, I just think we've reached our ceiling under Jurgen.

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Honestly, I don't know how much a national team manager impacts BIG picture for a country.

Is Herrera changing the face of Mexican soccer? Hiddink for whatever country he's leading now?

No. (And I know Klinsmann "did great things" with Germany in 2006. That's like being impressed with somebody beating their chest about a new coach taking Kansas or UNC to a Final Four. HOW IMPRESSIVE.)

Your national team manager needs to:

- Pick the best 23, regardless of personal opinions or other bullshite (*cough* Carlos Vela *cough*)
- Put 11 players in positions to perform their best in a given game
- Make tactical adjustments in game (and broader scope, during tournaments) to succeed from game to game

That's it. Hire a fricking motivational speaker if the team needs it. Recruiting? Seriously? Great job - but as Les Miles will attest... being a good recruiter and losing a bunch of games year over year will still put your arse in the hot seat. It's great that Fabian Johnson and John Anthony Brooks signed up. Maybe we don't get those guys if Jose Pekerman is the coach. Maybe they look at Germany's depth and we do get them anyway.

You'd have a hard time convincing me that Klinsmann is better than the average (pick somebody - Ben Olsen, let's say) slap dick off the street when it comes to the THREE most important managerial tasks. I'd argue he's outright bad in at least two of the three.

And yet there are STILL pied piper followers white knighting hard for somebody below a Dominic Kinnear replacement level.

BUT WE GOT WILLIAM YARBROUGH AND ALFREDO MORALES, YOU GUYZZZ.

Come the frick on.

Man, there is a lot of over reaction to this loss around here.

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Man, there is a lot of over reaction to this loss around here.

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This sounds like something a Michigan fan would post after losing to Appalachian State in 2007.

"It's just one loss, guys."

My youth system comment was hyperbole. Maybe I'm not being setting the bar high enough, but I just really don't want the USMNT to turn into another team that just causes misery and constant pessimism. I don't enjoy losing to Jamaica. I just tend to be optimistic and stay calm so that I don't start loathing it as much as I do LSU football.