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Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:34 pm to Broski
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How about you quit being mad and bring up a counter point to my post where I explained that our tactics never changed despite the "different" formations.
So we are not even talking about Jurgen anymore and you are trying to play "gotcha" with me? How come Im the only one that has to qualify themselves to have an opinion here?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:39 pm to kilo
Ok, please explain to me how our tactics were differed throughout the Gold Cup?
Does that question offend you?
Does that question offend you?
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:52 pm to Broski
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Ok, please explain to me how our tactics were differed throughout the Gold Cup?
Does that question offend you?
Im not offended. The people overly emotional about Jurgen sure seem to be over an opinion that there is some overreaction.
Im not going to argue the straw man. My statement was a general statement that took into account the entirety of last cycle and how that process very well may play out again this cycle. I wasn't talking about just the Gold Cup this year. You are ready to sack Jurgy over the Gold Cup 3 years out from 2018, much like the posts and threads were last cycle around this time before Hex play started then the team went on a great Hex run and everyone stopped crying until the Donovan fan club got bent out of shape over his non selection for Brazil.
You think Im not "qualified" to have an opinion so be it, I really dont care. I bet If I posted, something like this "Damn Jurgen, all his tinkering with the formation and tactics is terrible and he should be sacked" you would have upvoted and nothing else.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:55 pm to kilo
Still can't answer the question.
You're adorable.
Let's see if you can answer this one, four years in, in what facets has this team improved other than a deeper player pool?
You're adorable.
Let's see if you can answer this one, four years in, in what facets has this team improved other than a deeper player pool?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:55 pm to kilo
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kilo
Broski working you over with the Socratic method - enlightening you to see the error in your opinions
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:59 pm to Broski
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Let's see if you can answer this one, four years in, in what facets has this team improved other than a deeper player pool?
Well, the biggest one for me is that we play a much less direct game then we used to play. Much better ball possession and creation out of the mids. We are far more aggressive closing down than we were four years ago.
Dont know. My opinions are obviously not worthy so Im not sure why you keep asking me questions.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:01 pm to kilo
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Well, the biggest one for me is that we play a much less direct game then we used to play.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:02 pm to kilo
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Well, the biggest one for me is that we play a much less direct game then we used to play. Much better ball possession and creation out of the mids. We are far more aggressive closing down than we were four years ago.
Are you saying this just because Jurgen says that's how he wants to play?
To me, we still dominate possession against the CONCACAF minnows and still bunker and counter against the better teams... In every World Cup match in 2014, we lost the possession battle.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:03 pm to Broski
I think that we're more capable of playing attractive attacking football than we were before WHEN the formation and positioning is done remotely right. Last night was a shitty reminder of how much route one football we played before, and I don't want to see us resorting to that bullshite again.
Admittedly, it's a real toss up with Jurgen. When his "vision" works, we look great. When it doesn't, it's painful to watch. With it being early on in the cycle, the latter is far more prevalent.
Admittedly, it's a real toss up with Jurgen. When his "vision" works, we look great. When it doesn't, it's painful to watch. With it being early on in the cycle, the latter is far more prevalent.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:07 pm to Dijkstra
When has the positioning/formation 100% looked right though... every camp, it always seems like we have a Danny Williams or a Gyasi Zardes slotted at right mid.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:10 pm to Broski
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Are you saying this just because Jurgen says that's how he wants to play?
Are you being like this because Landon says Jurgen is full of shite?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:11 pm to kilo
Landon has nothing to do with this and it's cute that you are going to try and make this your argument now.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:14 pm to Broski
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Landon has nothing to do with this and it's cute that you are going to try and make this your argument now.
Its not an argument. It was pointing out how fricking silly that comment you made was.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:23 pm to kilo
Whatever you say, champ.
It's become quite clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. All you've done here is make stupid non-sensual comments and play the victim card.
It's like arguing with a high school freshman who took his first debate class and learned terms like "straw man" and "ad hominem", thinking they know what they mean.
You have not brought up a counter point yet. Instead, you continue to put words in other people's mouths and cluelessly babble.
It's become quite clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. All you've done here is make stupid non-sensual comments and play the victim card.
It's like arguing with a high school freshman who took his first debate class and learned terms like "straw man" and "ad hominem", thinking they know what they mean.
You have not brought up a counter point yet. Instead, you continue to put words in other people's mouths and cluelessly babble.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:31 pm to Broski
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Whatever you say, champ.
It's become quite clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. All you've done here is make stupid non-sensual comments and play the victim card.
It's like arguing with a high school freshman who took his first debate class and learned terms like "straw man" and "ad hominem", thinking they know what they mean.
You have not brought up a counter point yet. Instead, you continue to put words in other people's mouths and cluelessly babble.
Talk about child like. You should really look in the mirror buddy.
I clearly talked about Jurgen tinkering with things last cycle in a meta view. You are playing gotcha game with your straw man over a Gold Cup match.
You dont think accusing someone of copy pasting something isnt an ad hominem?
I dont get all the emotion that one person that thinks you are overreacting to Jurgen elicits in you. Its mind boggling.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:34 pm to 5thTiger
both are what they are. bradley actually wasn't very good but a lot of you baws remember him as the first USMNT coach of your fanhood so its understandable to see how much love he gets around here. arena= GOAT
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:38 pm to kilo
Still can't directly respond to my points...
You are a gift that keeps on giving.
You are a gift that keeps on giving.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:00 pm to Broski
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Still can't directly respond to my points...
You are a gift that keeps on giving.
You want to argue tactics in one match. I said that he changed and tested many things over last cycle. Is pretty clear why you made fun of me bringing up your straw man because that is what you are left holding on to at this point.
I admit that I am no continental certified coach. I'm also not completely ignorant to the sport. You keep coming at me but you really need to look in the mirror on how you are reacting to a simple opinion about Jurgen man. Like I said earlier, If i would have said Jurgen tinkering was bad and he should be sacked you would have just upvoted.
You still havent posted the source form which I copy pasted an answer earlier...but of course you dont need to qualify YOUR opinions and statements.
Maybe you should lighten up a bit Jed.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:09 pm to Broski
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non-sensual comments
I've always thought this board needed more sensual comments.
Back on topic, I think Jurgen has failed to deliver on his "more attractive, attacking" approach against higher quality competition on most fronts. However, and I know they're just friendlies, we looked good against Germany and Netherlands. There have been flashes of that kind of play. Then we have a tournament like this where things look disjointed and haphazard (like Morales at LM).
Bradley was a "safe" approach, but I definitely don't think it really had a positive future. Jurgen still gets credit from the Germans for improving their youth setup. We all know that is an area we need massive improvement in, so I think that part is vital.
And yeah, this cycle has started off on a bad foot (as did Jurgen's first), but he did pull things together fairly well to end it. It may not have been revolutionary or brought on comparisons to Barcelona, but it was largely effective. The failures in those games were almost entirely on the players.
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