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re: FIFA and "Simulating"
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:24 am to thesoccerfanjax
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:24 am to thesoccerfanjax
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Exactly. I think bringing replay type stuff in is just opening a whole new can of worms. Let the games be played on the field. The ref misses stuff. Big fricking deal, it happens. It sucks when it doesn't go your way, but I bet it's gone your way a time or two as well.
you sound just like an 85 year old baseball fan arguing against replay.
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:24 am to wm72
Suspensions may be too harsh, what about just carrying a yellow card over to the next match? The result would be the carded player would just have to play a cleaner match.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:24 am to Broski
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Do you think there were only 11 NBA players that flopped this past season?
no im sure there were more. i love how yall keep bringing up the nba as some sort of retort. but no one thinks the nba has it right either.
but but but the NBA!!!!
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:25 am to bbap
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no im sure there were more. i love how yall keep bringing up the nba as some sort of retort. but no one thinks the nba has it right either.
but but but the NBA!!!!
Actually, you were the first one in this thread to bring up the NBA.
You kept saying how the NBA penalizes flopping while soccer doesn't.
That's literally the only reason I keep bringing it up. You act as if the NBA has it figured out, while soccer just lets it run rampant. It's a terrible argument and you owe everyone an apology.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:28 am to Broski
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Actually, you were the first one in this thread to bring up the NBA.
actually no i wasnt.
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You kept saying how the NBA penalizes flopping while soccer doesn't.
I said they penalize retroactively but the fines are a joke. which is true. soccer needs to start punishing retroactively like the nba but the nba needs to up their penalties.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:29 am to Broski
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You act as if the NBA has it figured out
i've probably said more than 5 times that the nba's fines are a joke. stop putting words in my mouth just because you're losing the argument.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:30 am to bbap
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you sound just like an 85 year old baseball fan arguing against replay.
sick burn
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:30 am to bbap
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actually no i wasnt.
You were the first one to seriously use it as an argument.
You said something like "at least the NBA penalizes people for flopping" and then you went on saying how it has curtailed the flopping (which it hasn't).
It was a dumb argument.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:31 am to bbap
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just because you're losing the argument.
LOL
He's right. You've switched your stance on the NBA throughout this thread. You first held them up as an example until you were called out on it.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:31 am to bbap
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soccer needs to start punishing retroactively
Most of us agree on this.
But replay during matches would completely disrupt the flow of the match (which is extremely important).
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:33 am to bbap
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stop putting words in my mouth
I'm not putting words in your mouth at all. Here was a post you made on the last page:
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At least the NBA took step 1 and made it punishable.
They fined 11 players last season. I would venture to guess that, per capita of people that flopped, more players were carded for in soccer than NBA players were fined.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:36 am to bbap
I don't think flopping is that much of a problem. I don't even care if they punish it retroactively or not. I definitely don't want them stopping the game and watching replays to determine if it's a flop. I think the penalty as is works.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:41 am to SabiDojo
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I don't think flopping is that much of a problem
This. I'm pretty sure this thread was created right after the Mexico/Brazil game. Watching a game between those two teams then complaining about flopping is like watching Modern Family and complaining about it having a gay couple. Most soccer games have little to no flopping.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:41 am to bbap
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bbap
look man. if it bothers you so much. stop watching and definitely stop bitching about it.
No one wants in game replay because that definitely opens a can of worms called commercials during the game which would suck dick..
Basically why i cannot watch a football game anymore besides the saints and the U of course.
plus it would stop the flow of the game being the only interruption allowed.
retroactive penalties sure. not a problem but like the NBA and other sports they have tried to do things like this, i doubt it would affect the game that much.
And certainly we would like our refs to give yellows for diving but that is so impossibly hard to call and see fully. and giving a yellow to someone who doesnt flop is prbly the worse mistaken call than calling a foul that was really a flop.
Plus no one has mentioned how many times a ref waives off a foul/flop and just let play continue if he cant tell which to me is prbly the best way to deal with the situation.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:48 am to thesoccerfanjax
And the ref isn't an idiot. Sure, he makes mistakes, but he knows who has a history of embellishing and whatnot. I actually smile whenever a player complains and the ref shakes his finger or something to that effect.
Replay? frick that. Basketball games and football games are almost ruined by that shite. Retroactive punishment? I really don't care. Besides, if you are surrounded with the ball between your feet and you are in the box and can't get the ball off, you better fricking dive.
Replay? frick that. Basketball games and football games are almost ruined by that shite. Retroactive punishment? I really don't care. Besides, if you are surrounded with the ball between your feet and you are in the box and can't get the ball off, you better fricking dive.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:51 am to SabiDojo
Most American have a hard on for punishing and/or fining people. I really don't get it. Why add more bureaucracy to a sport? I watch sports (well, soccer at least) to get away from that shite. Another thing most people in this country have a hard on for (even though they'll say they hate it): Bureaucracy.
As someone said, the best cure is simply a no-call.
As someone said, the best cure is simply a no-call.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:54 am to petar
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And certainly we would like our refs to give yellows for diving but that is so impossibly hard to call and see fully. and giving a yellow to someone who doesnt flop is prbly the worse mistaken call than calling a foul that was really a flop.
Exactly. And though many posters in this thread may not have witnessed events like the horrible call that sent Totti off in the 2002 WC for a non-existent dive that should have actually been a penalty kick, you can bet that WC officials are aware of it.
That rash yellow decision -- and not letting any possible dives go unpunished -- is still among the couple of most controversial calls ever in a WC and one that completely spoiled a match on the game's biggest stage.
Also -- and I'm not saying this as a criticism but simply stating a fact-- if people arguing for the stronger stances against diving watched more club soccer they would see that increased yellow cards for diving has already happened.
I think the difference is that in the WC there's more emphasis on all the different officials from varying federations to not give as many cards as happen in league matches and rightly so.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:03 am to thesoccerfanjax
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I'm pretty sure this thread was created right after the Mexico/Brazil game.
Actually my friend texted me "watch #10 on Brazil, he is a dive specialist"
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:05 am to thesoccerfanjax
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the best cure is simply a no-call
This is probably true. Let them play on unless its a blatant egregious foul.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:06 am to HollierThanThou
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"watch #10 on Brazil, he is a dive specialist"
Not as bad as #6.
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