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re: Arsenal 2014/15 Season Long Thread
Posted on 3/18/15 at 7:03 pm to Stewie Griffin
Posted on 3/18/15 at 7:03 pm to Stewie Griffin
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A ruthless, mobile centre-forward with some powerful central midfield backup would round out the current team nicely.
Who is this player? Costa would have been nice, but he offers none of the build-up play to bring others into the play that we get with Giroud, and have had with Van Persie, Adebayor, and Henry. What we need is a player who is mobile, strong, technical, and can be both a targetman and a poacher. Welbeck fits the bill if he can improve his technique and his ability to bring others into the play, as well as his finishing ability.
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 7:57 pm to crazy4lsu
Suarez would have been nice.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 8:04 pm to crazy4lsu
If Giroud continues this run of form for the rest of the season and in to next season it is hard to think of many better CF's out there that fit Arsenal as well as he does.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 8:05 pm to RTR America
One who can finish clinically, perhaps?
Posted on 3/18/15 at 8:28 pm to cwil177
"This run of form"
Since his return from injury he's scoring a goal for like every 3 shots. First Monaco game has just been an outlier more than anything.
Since his return from injury he's scoring a goal for like every 3 shots. First Monaco game has just been an outlier more than anything.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:53 pm to RTR America
He's also missing easy shots.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:05 pm to Downtown Devin Brown
He really hasn't though this season
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:14 pm to RTR America
But he has.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:22 pm to cwil177
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But he has
All strikers do. He has been much better at conversion rates this year.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:43 am to cwil177
Sergio Aguero missed three decent chances against Burnley and missed a fricking penalty against Barca. Sturridge has a been wasteful as frick since coming back from injury. RVP and Falcao can't hit the broadside of a barn for Man U. Costa and Giroud average the exact same goals per 90, Costa does it in fewer shots so technically he's a better finisher, but getting off shots is a skill.
If you want to argue he's in an unsustainable good run of form since his return then fine, but there hasn't been a better forward in the epl over the past couple of months. That's just a fact.
ETA: maybe Kane. Although then you factor in Giroud's combination play and defensive ability on set pieces, which we missed drastically when he was out.
If you want to argue he's in an unsustainable good run of form since his return then fine, but there hasn't been a better forward in the epl over the past couple of months. That's just a fact.
ETA: maybe Kane. Although then you factor in Giroud's combination play and defensive ability on set pieces, which we missed drastically when he was out.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 1:46 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:49 am to tigerfan88
I can appreciate all of those points. That said it would be nice if we had someone up top who was a constant threat to run at defenders. His hold up play and little flicks are phenomenal, but if he gets the ball 1v1 anywhere but at the top of the box where he can shoot, we know he's not having a go at things because of his lack of pace. Plus I wish he would be a bit stronger and not go down so easily, but I guess that's the French in him. He just seems a little soft for a guy of his size, and he doesn't get those calls in the prem and he should have figured that out by now.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:29 am to cwil177
That's true as well. When he gets the ball 30+ yards away from goal if there isn't another player immediately nearby for him to pass to you know nothing is coming from the move. Giroud is far from perfect, and I would absolutely take a Lewandowski, Ibra, or Benzema over him. All 3 guys offer his size, strength, and at at least close to his level of around the box combination play except with better pace, individual skill, and finishing.
Of course those three guys play for Bayern, PSG, and Real. As much prestige and money, now at least, that Arsenal have, they still can't really go toe to toe with those teams for players. So I'm just not sure who's out there to really get, who is 100% better than Giroud. Bc Giroud may not be world class, but he's close enough that getting someone better than him is an incredibly difficult proposition
Of course those three guys play for Bayern, PSG, and Real. As much prestige and money, now at least, that Arsenal have, they still can't really go toe to toe with those teams for players. So I'm just not sure who's out there to really get, who is 100% better than Giroud. Bc Giroud may not be world class, but he's close enough that getting someone better than him is an incredibly difficult proposition
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:18 am to tigerfan88
Bring on Reading. Time to add number 12 to the trophy case fellas. 
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:31 am to DFWAggie09
I've decided that Diaby is going to come back and score the winner in the FA Cup.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:32 pm to cwil177
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but if he gets the ball 1v1 anywhere but at the top of the box where he can shoot, we know he's not having a go at things because of his lack of pace.
Considering how rarely he gets the ball on the half-turn, it's way more important that he acts like a post player in basketball. With the way most teams play us, it's just not all that often he gets the ball where he has space to turn, or even run at defenders. It's not what he excels at, and it's pretty silly of us to ask him of doing things of which he isn't capable.
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Plus I wish he would be a bit stronger and not go down so easily, but I guess that's the French in him.
He's extremely strong, but he goes down hoping for fouls since he's getting mugged quite often. His ability to hold off defenders and bring the ball down off a goal kick is pretty incredible. The refs rarely offer him protection since he so often has superior body position on a defender, yet he gets none of the protection other strikers do despite CB's being all over him.
I think he's at least a top five target striker, and outside of the Monaco first leg, there isn't a game that I remember him being absolutely profligate in front of goal (this season). If his conversion rate can hover around 30%, I'd be pretty happy, especially since his positional play is pretty much superb.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:33 pm to crazy4lsu
Yeah, I agree with all of that. But what I was saying earlier wasn't me hoping for him to do something of which he isn't capable. We all know where he excels and where he struggles. I'm thankful for what he does offer us, and I agree he is a superb hold up man. I just wish we had the type of player who could be more direct. We would be an even better countering team if our 9 had some pace too. I like the idea someone here mentioned of trying Welbeck up there. I would be all for that if nothing more than to give Giroud's body a rest.
Unfortunately teams know they can pack the box against us and we won't shoot from deep, and then we try to tiki taka through that packed box and it usually doesn't work out because the space is just too cramped. Another pet peeve of mine is that we don't put enough players in the box when we make crosses. Giroud is left to fight by himself. What's the point? It's frustrating to watch.
Unfortunately teams know they can pack the box against us and we won't shoot from deep, and then we try to tiki taka through that packed box and it usually doesn't work out because the space is just too cramped. Another pet peeve of mine is that we don't put enough players in the box when we make crosses. Giroud is left to fight by himself. What's the point? It's frustrating to watch.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:42 pm to cwil177
Welbeck seems to do an alright job playing as a CF, as he can hold it up as well as run behind. We don't seem to do all that much aimless crossing anymore. I think we are one more CB and another midfielder away from being able to compete across multiple competitions throughout the whole season.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:26 pm to crazy4lsu
We need an Arteta replacement, and I agree on the CB. If you want to see errant crosses just look at Bellerin. Would be nice if we had Debuchy back.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:38 pm to crazy4lsu
I think Gabriel can be that CB. Whether we use Per/Chambers as depth or get another CB, we'll see.
Def need an Arteta replacement/Coq alternative.
Def need an Arteta replacement/Coq alternative.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:34 am to Stewie Griffin
I still think we need an upgrade at GK. I just can't see either of the guys we have right now winning Arsenal points like De Gea has this season. I'd love to steal Chech from Chelsea's bench.
Schiederlin is still #1 at the top of my wishlist though.
I just like the options it provides. If we are going to sit back and accept pressure like we did @City then I think the Per/Kosc relationship works great. Home games where we are going to have 9 players on across midfield go with Kosc/Gabriel.
It is interesting to see where Chambers ends up considering Arsene has said he considers his future position to be a DM. He's shown some great skill this year with the ball at his feet. Some of the crosses he played against West Ham were absolutely perfect.
Schiederlin is still #1 at the top of my wishlist though.
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I think Gabriel can be that CB. Whether we use Per/Chambers as depth or get another CB, we'll see.
I just like the options it provides. If we are going to sit back and accept pressure like we did @City then I think the Per/Kosc relationship works great. Home games where we are going to have 9 players on across midfield go with Kosc/Gabriel.
It is interesting to see where Chambers ends up considering Arsene has said he considers his future position to be a DM. He's shown some great skill this year with the ball at his feet. Some of the crosses he played against West Ham were absolutely perfect.
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