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4-4-2 Diamond numbering system/numbering systems in general
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:12 pm
I coach HS soccer. My fellow coaches and I have decided to move to a 4-4-2 with a diamond midfield from a 4-4-2 flat. We also decided to use a numbering system for positions instead of names. While researching I discovered 2 different numbering systems for the 4-4-2 Diamond.
7 9
10
11 8
4
3 6 5 2
1
and
9 11
10
7 8
6
2 3 4 5
1
Which is correct?
7 9
10
11 8
4
3 6 5 2
1
and
9 11
10
7 8
6
2 3 4 5
1
Which is correct?
5
Posted on 9/13/16 at 3:33 pm to NewbombII
quote:
9 11
10
7 8
6
2 3 4 5
1
Posted on 9/13/16 at 4:21 pm to hendersonshands
quote:
9 11
10
7 8
6
2 3 4 5
1
I've always treated the back four as:
2453
but the rest of that seems right.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 4:23 pm to Fratastic423
9 10
11 7
6
3 4 5 2
1
11 7
6
3 4 5 2
1
Posted on 9/13/16 at 4:32 pm to engvol
quote:
9 10
11 7
6
3 4 5 2
1
Ballsy move playing with 10 guys, engvol
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:19 pm to etm512
Did 8 get a red card?
Posted on 9/13/16 at 10:15 pm to BlueMoon
I always thought 3 and 7 were on the left side.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 6:49 am to NewbombII
My guess is that the first one - where the CDM is a 4 - plays more like a 3-4-1-2 when in possession, with the fullbacks pushed up high and the CDM dropping back to nearly CB depth. There are a lot of teams that do that right now.
Otherwise, I can't imagine why the 4 would be in the midfield.
Otherwise, I can't imagine why the 4 would be in the midfield.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 6:49 am to Sheep
quote:
I always thought 3 and 7 were on the left side.
and 11
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:15 am to NewbombII
quote:
9 11
10
7 8
6
3 4 5 2
1
RB is usually 2. LB is usually 3.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:02 pm to Stewie Griffin
7 and 11 are your wing players. This system you have has one or the other playing higher on the field. I was never a huge fan of this system unless your players are very interchangeable. Your outside backs need to be able to play high up the field in the attack and recover quickly.
Good luck with the change! Hope it works well for your team.
Good luck with the change! Hope it works well for your team.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:29 am to keeper007
So basically I have zero consensus?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:27 am to NewbombII
So this is what I see since there is no consensus....
8 9
10
7 11
6
2 4 5 3
We had two kids get small college scholly's last year and wanted to help our kids be more prepared for the next level. We also wanted to get the same nomenclature that might be used at a higher level. These kids play in a very rural county school system and cannot/do not have access to club soccer.
Ultimately... It comes down to what I/we expect from each position.
8 9
10
7 11
6
2 4 5 3
We had two kids get small college scholly's last year and wanted to help our kids be more prepared for the next level. We also wanted to get the same nomenclature that might be used at a higher level. These kids play in a very rural county school system and cannot/do not have access to club soccer.
Ultimately... It comes down to what I/we expect from each position.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:40 am to NewbombII
11 left, 7 right.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:43 am to NewbombII
quote:
So this is what I see since there is no consensus....
8 9
10
7 11
6
2 4 5 3
Switch 3 and 2. 2s are traditionally right backs, 3s are traditionally left backs.
Also, 8s are usually box to box midfielders. I'd switch 8 with 11 or 7, which is associated with a wing spot.
I've always had it in my head that an 11 is a left winger and a 7 is a right winger.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:45 am to Sheep
quote:
I always thought 3 and 7 were on the left side.
Nah.
quote:
In the modern game however, older number associations still carry through. The European continent can generally be seen as adopting:
1 Goalkeeper
2 Right full back
4 Centre half back
5 Centre half back
3 Left full back
6 Defensive Midfielder
8 Central Midfielder
10 Attacking Midfielder
7 Right Winger
9 Striker
11 Left Winger
LINK )
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:40 am to Stewie Griffin
So,,,,
11 9
10
8 7
6
3 4 5 2
thanks for the input folks...
11 9
10
8 7
6
3 4 5 2
thanks for the input folks...
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:41 am to NewbombII
Swap 11 and 8
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:17 am to etm512
Stewie said and I heard it before that 8 is usually associated with a box to box midfielder. But your suggestion is what I am thinking of...
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:26 am to NewbombII
7 usually not a stiker
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