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re: Zuckerberg Gave NJ $100 Million To Fix Newark's Schools -- It Was Wasted!
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:37 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:37 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I think a big problem we have in education is the fact there are many teachers average in content or worse. Why should someone ever be just average in content and try to teach someone?
The overwhelming majority of teachers all over the world are not experts in their field. I'd say if you're teaching post secondary, it's far more important. The materials in primary and secondary don't require you to be a brilliance scientist to teach science. You need to be able to reach kids with the materials available.
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:39 pm to Purple Spoon
I was a substitute teacher while I was interviewing for my career. The education system seemed laughable. I had kids tell me a teacher never read with them before in class.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:41 pm to Colonel Flagg
District here has some very dedicated and effective teachers. I was impressed in my short sting teaching. Quite a difference from what I grew up with in La.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:42 pm to Purple Spoon
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you could throw billions at any failing school system in the country but unless you have parents that care about their kids education, vote (and hold accountable) for who is on the school board, care and montior quality of the teachers, and hold their kids accountable for behaving in school and reaching a goal, it will never change.
Truth.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If you went to college for four years you should be some level of expert about your field. I don't know if that is really the case.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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Cant turn a ho into a housewife...
Cant turn Newark into a good school system...
I beg to differ.
On which one?
Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:31 pm to Colonel Flagg
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If you went to college for four years you should be some level of expert about your field. I don't know if that is really the case.
Well, I doubt few teachers are actually experts in their content field. Most have knowledge enough to teach elementary and secondary students the material though.
I'll take a school full of people who are knowledgeable in their content area, but are expert communicators, managing classroom and have a passion for the profession.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:36 pm to NC_Tigah
If Raheem still can’t read, it is his own fricking fault, he is either too stupid or too uninterested to master the basic skill that a 6 year old of average intelligence can master.
And Zuckerbberg is an idiot to turn that much money over to any political entity with no controls. To expect any school system where the average IQ of the students may perhaps be 85 to become excellent is foolishness.
And Zuckerbberg is an idiot to turn that much money over to any political entity with no controls. To expect any school system where the average IQ of the students may perhaps be 85 to become excellent is foolishness.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:38 am to NC_Tigah
quote:A certain governor who likes to reroute traffic on bridges had his hand in it from the get go.
Zuckerberg Gave NJ $100 Million To Fix Newark's Schools -- It Was Wasted!
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:44 am to mmcgrath
quote:What was his contribution to the waste?
had his hand in it from the get go
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Well, I doubt few teachers are actually experts in their content field. Most have knowledge enough to teach elementary and secondary students the material though. I'll take a school full of people who are knowledgeable in their content area, but are expert communicators, managing classroom and have a passion for the profession.
You're both right.
Roger, in my experience, the more well-versed a teacher is in their subject area, the more effective they can be in engaging their students with the material.
For example, an economics teacher who only has an average grasp of economics will be forced to drone on about guns and butter and more or less be forced to teach the material at "face value" out of the textbook.
An economics teacher with a great deal of economics knowledge can make analogies, create engaging activities, and overall be more fluid and dynamic with the students because they are comfortable with what they are teaching.
In my perfect world, textbooks would be an aid. Not the primary source of material.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 7:26 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:31 am to upgrayedd
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I guess I didn't break it down, but yeah, that is an average rate, maybe on the low side depending on who the consultant is.
Still, they have nothing to show for it and they pissed away this guy's donation.
I don't disagree. I hadn't actually read enough to make an informed opinion. It just struck me as odd that they would consider $125/hr to be an insane consulting fee in New Jersey.
Its also not out of whack for about 20% to go to consulting.
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more than twenty million dollars of Zuckerberg’s gift and matching donations went to consulting firms with various specialties: public relations, human resources, communications, data analysis, [and] teacher evaluation
And those bolded terms would seem to be relevant fields of consulting.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:40 am to NC_Tigah
This makes my blood boil. The amount of waste we see with gov't entities is sickening.
$100 million fricking dollars. Do you know how far that could go in a city like New Orleans without everyone sticking their paws in it? You could build a dozen brand new fricking schools and help tens of thousands of kids, yet these people piss almost half away on "consulting".
Zuckerberg has to be a fricking moron to blindly give out $100 million under gov't care.
$100 million fricking dollars. Do you know how far that could go in a city like New Orleans without everyone sticking their paws in it? You could build a dozen brand new fricking schools and help tens of thousands of kids, yet these people piss almost half away on "consulting".
Zuckerberg has to be a fricking moron to blindly give out $100 million under gov't care.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:50 am to SpidermanTUba
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Its also not out of whack for about 20% to go to consulting.
20 million dollars on consulting isnt out of whack?
Raise teacher pay and hire better teachers, clean house on the current administration, improve facilities. Use whatever's left to buy better students. Where's my 20 million?
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 7:53 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:52 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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20 million dollars on consulting isnt out of whack?
Obviously it depends on what they are doing. That number by itself isn't surprising though.
Would you prefer the government hire its own full-time experts and pay them a government salary and benefits until they die? Because that would be the alternative option when the government lacks the expertise to do something itself.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 7:53 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:55 am to NC_Tigah
This just proves my Old Pappy right - you can't throw money at a problem and expect the problem to go away! 
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:56 am to SpidermanTUba
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Would you prefer the government hire its own full-time experts and pay them a government salary and benefits until they die? Because that would be the alternative option when the government lacks the expertise to do something itself.
No, but thats no worse waste than what happened here. Common sense is what's missing from government solutions. They form a committee to hire a group to form a group to hire a group to pay a group to pay another group to figure out what to do. Then the money's all gone and you cant afford to fix the problem.
It doesnt cost 20 million to figure out what needs to be fixed. (see my addition to my earlier post)
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 7:58 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:57 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:You are correct regarding the fact hiring a full time person would be more expensive. A lot of folks don't get that when they see wages for government contractors.
Would you prefer the government hire its own full-time experts and pay them a government salary and benefits until they die? Because that would be the alternative option when the government lacks the expertise to do something itself.
That said, regarding the OP. This is a classic example of the left's misguided belief that the fundamental problem with our education system is a matter of dollars. There really is no rational way to come to that conclusion when one looks at our per student expenditures from one place to the next and then compares them with results within similar places.
No one likes to admit it, but the reality is, if one constructed a color coded map for what are supposedly the "best school systems", it really just looks like a demographic map of the United States.
Throwing money at that wont change it.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:57 am to rintintin
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Do you know how far that could go in a city like New Orleans without everyone sticking their paws in it? You could build a dozen brand new fricking schools and help tens of thousands of kids, yet these people piss almost half away on "consulting".
Is lack of space (in quality or quantity) for students the biggest problem with our schools?
Seriously I don't know, educate me. I have a 1 year old I need to know.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 7:58 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:59 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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It doesnt cost 20 million to figure out what needs to be fixed.
Experience should tell you most of what you need to know.
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