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re: Zuckerberg Gave NJ $100 Million To Fix Newark's Schools -- It Was Wasted!
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:04 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:04 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:No.
Is lack of space (in quality or quantity) for students the biggest problem with our schools?
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Seriously I don't know, educate me. I have a 1 year old I need to know.
Simple. If you are choosing a place to live when your kid is about to go to school, figure out the places you've narrowed it down to and the relevant schools. Park outside the school and wait for the after school bell to ring.
Any half intelligent person can observe this ritual and make a first cut evaluation of the school.
Seriously. As much as I love to give our teacher's unions shite and as much as I do think is wasted by our education system, a GREAT DEAL of what makes a school system good or bad is pretty much the population attending the school.
It's really not unlike coaching. If you didn't allow him to recruit and just gave Saban all the players currently at New Mexico St, his results in the SEC wouldn't be so great. And, if you gave the coach at New Mexico all of Bama's players, his results in his conference would suddenly improve.
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:06 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:You really would think that since we have a Department of Education in pretty much every state as well as the Fed and those departments spend a ton every year without a dime of it going to actual teachers, there would be some in house expertise.
Experience should tell you most of what you need to know.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:08 am to ShortyRob
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Park outside the school and wait for the after school bell to ring.
Make sure to have one of those vans with no windows.
Just kidding. ShortyRob is spot on. They should have spent the 100 million bringing in better parents and students. Thats the only thing that would have made a drastic improvement.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:12 am to NC_Tigah
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The main problem with American education is the method of pedagogy on which it's focused.
Ding Ding
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:13 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:My middle child's kindergarten class this year was a perfect example. The state of Alabama has a list of requirements that every Kindergartner must know before leaving Kindergarten. They all take an initial evaluation test at the beginning of the year. My child along with 15 of the other 18 children in the class met ALL of the requirements ON ARRIVAL into class. So, the teacher basically just gave those kids the 1st grade stuff. As such, my child, along with most of them a week ago passed ALL of the requirements to finish first grade.
Just kidding. ShortyRob is spot on. They should have spent the 100 million bringing in better parents and students. Thats the only thing that would have made a drastic improvement.
I would love to tell you that this is because the teacher is so much better but hell, she's the equivalent of a football coach with an entire team of 5 star recruits. She'd have to have TRIED to frick it up.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:17 am to NC_Tigah
100 million in Newark.
Find a 4-5 thousand seater arena for reading and math night once a week. Free pizza to all who attend. JayZ, A-Rod, KG, Netc. are all guest teachers each week. 45 minutes of math, 45 minutes of reading. Could be televised each week also on PBS and educational material downloadable and given to kids at schools across the country if they wanted to participate as well. Simple math, simple reading, target ages 7-12 because that's your best shot.
Find a 4-5 thousand seater arena for reading and math night once a week. Free pizza to all who attend. JayZ, A-Rod, KG, Netc. are all guest teachers each week. 45 minutes of math, 45 minutes of reading. Could be televised each week also on PBS and educational material downloadable and given to kids at schools across the country if they wanted to participate as well. Simple math, simple reading, target ages 7-12 because that's your best shot.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:18 am to ShortyRob
And that shows the value of parents who care. They weren't born knowing the first grade stuff. The parents took a little time to teach some abc's at home.
Good parents=good schools. All other factors combined cant make up for this.
Good parents=good schools. All other factors combined cant make up for this.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:19 am to ItNeverRains
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Find a 4-5 thousand seater arena for reading and math night once a week. Free pizza to all who attend. JayZ, A-Rod, KG, Netc. are all guest teachers each week. 45 minutes of math, 45 minutes of reading. Could be televised each week also on PBS and educational material downloadable and given to kids at schools across the country if they wanted to participate as well. Simple math, simple reading, target ages 7-12 because that's your best shot.
"Give me a child until he is 7 and I will give you the man"
That quite is reality. By the time the schools get many of the kids, the die is cast.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:21 am to SpidermanTUba
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Is lack of space (in quality or quantity) for students the biggest problem with our schools?
Seriously I don't know, educate me. I have a 1 year old I need to know.
I don't know really, I was simply using that as an example of how far that much money could go.
I do know that if you plan to raise your child here you better be sticking away a good bit of money for him/her to go to a private school, or start looking for a residence on the Northshore.
ETA: But I agree as was said earlier in the thread that simply throwing money at a school system isn't necessarily going to make it better. That's why I think Zuckerberg is an imbecile for just throwing that money away, instead of privately allocating where he would like it to go.
My sister works in the public school system in New Orleans, and really it's these kids only shot at a chance in life. They kids will never make it with the type of influence they have at home. Their teachers are truly the only ones who can make a difference and it's really heart breaking.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:44 am to rintintin
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. That's why I think Zuckerberg is an imbecile for just throwing that money away, instead of privately allocating where he would like it to go.
How would he know where it should go to be of best use?
He might hire a consultant...
Come to think of it, if you wanted to build a brand new school, you might also hire an architectural or structural engineering consulting firm.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:54 am to SpidermanTUba
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How would he know where it should go to be of best use?
He might hire a consultant...
Hiring a consultant and blowing a quarter of $100 million on consulting are 2 entirely different things.
One of my main grievances with gov't isn't necessarily with the services or programs they provide, it's the efficiency, or inefficiency I should say, with which they operate.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:55 am to NC_Tigah
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Between 2010 and 2012, The New Yorker reports that "more than twenty million dollars of Zuckerberg’s gift and matching donations went to consulting firms with various specialties: public relations, human resources, communications, data analysis, [and] teacher evaluation." Many of the consultants were being paid upwards of $1,000 a day.
OK. So its the gift AND the matching donation.
That means 200 million total. So 20 million on consulting is only 10% - or 'more than' 10%, we are told how much more - of the total. At "upwards" of $125 an hour. That really does not sound insane or out of whack to me. I'm not saying the money wasn't wasted - I'm not saying it was, but spending 10% on consulting at less than $125 isn't by itself evidence of anything wrong.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:57 am to rintintin
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Hiring a consultant and blowing a quarter of $100 million on consulting are 2 entirely different things.
See above.
The total was 200 million. Zuckerberg's gift was matched.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:59 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:What is the basis to assert differently?
I'm not saying the money wasn't wasted
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:32 am to SpidermanTUba
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A consultant, charging $125 an hour? NO frickING WAY!!!
I don't know you well enough to judge if you're being facetious, but assuming your srs, that is pretty average consulting billing rate, maybe on low end. I work for big 4 consulting, by no means on Bain/McKinsey/etc level, and we bill $1,200-1,800 per day depending on your experience level at particular client I'm on.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:37 am to Larry Gooseman
Look no one will say it but it's pretty much demographics, dumb people have dumb kids, and dumb people reproduce more than intelligent people, just watch idiocracy.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:47 am to SpidermanTUba
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A consultant, charging $125 an hour? NO frickING WAY!!!
If they were only working on that project all day, yes. That is rarely the case though.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:17 am to SpidermanTUba
That's fine, it may just be me, but I think I could find a better way to use $20 million to help better these children's lives than sticking it into some consultants pocket.
Actually I'd rather that money go straight to the teachers than for what it was used for.
Actually I'd rather that money go straight to the teachers than for what it was used for.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:25 am to NC_Tigah
Based on 38,500 students enrolled, Zuckerberg's gift was over $2,500 per student. That is on top of the over $15,000 that was already being spent per student.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 12:08 pm to Poodlebrain
$125/$150 an hour for a consultant is not at all out of the ordinary. However, some of the areas they spent money on was communications, PR, etc. That's where I see the problem.
$200 million? Save $20 million for a rainy day, $20 million on how to get teachers to work together and update their teaching skills, and spend $160 million on classroom technology AND teacher training on how to use the technology.
The high school in our area got a big grant to buy 10 iPad carts (30 student iPads per cart, plus a teacher one, all which plug in to the cart, and the cart plugs into the wall to charge them). The district / IT deleted all apps that came standard with them, and disabled wifi access. They then spent a ton of money buying new apps to load on them, all of which require wifi access to use. Further, they did not budget any money for training, so very few of the teachers know what to do with them.
Basically, they sit in a closet in the library.
Also... my wife is a great teacher with a master's degree in education... how does she get one of those consultant jobs? =)
$200 million? Save $20 million for a rainy day, $20 million on how to get teachers to work together and update their teaching skills, and spend $160 million on classroom technology AND teacher training on how to use the technology.
The high school in our area got a big grant to buy 10 iPad carts (30 student iPads per cart, plus a teacher one, all which plug in to the cart, and the cart plugs into the wall to charge them). The district / IT deleted all apps that came standard with them, and disabled wifi access. They then spent a ton of money buying new apps to load on them, all of which require wifi access to use. Further, they did not budget any money for training, so very few of the teachers know what to do with them.
Basically, they sit in a closet in the library.
Also... my wife is a great teacher with a master's degree in education... how does she get one of those consultant jobs? =)
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