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re: You be the admissions director
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:42 pm to Zach
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:42 pm to Zach
Meritocracy.
I've been in a position to look at college applications for a few colleges and the reason that richer families disproportionately have their children go to these schools is because their children are more prepared. Private schools for that reason are always over-represented.
It's not that these schools are discriminating against poor people, and indeed some get through the screening, it's that they're not as prepared, which means their parents may disproportinately just care less about their children getting an education. It's not a nice thing to say but it's the harsh reality.
I've been in a position to look at college applications for a few colleges and the reason that richer families disproportionately have their children go to these schools is because their children are more prepared. Private schools for that reason are always over-represented.
It's not that these schools are discriminating against poor people, and indeed some get through the screening, it's that they're not as prepared, which means their parents may disproportinately just care less about their children getting an education. It's not a nice thing to say but it's the harsh reality.
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:42 pm to Zach
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This was a long time ago. Ivy League schools started aff action back in the 70s. I thought you would have known that.
Actually, Harvard's current financial aid approach and emphasis on making sure those who cannot afford Harvard can still attend was most definitely not around in the 70s and is rather recent development. You didn't know this?
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:43 pm to Zach
quote:Maybe not as pertinent in the extreme as you suppose then. Ivy SAT admission requirements are high regardless of background.
This was a long time ago.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:43 pm to maine82
True. And then there is a positive correlation between IQ and income. And IQ is inherited.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:44 pm to Zach
If Yang can only get a 22 ... then he is a poor excuse for a Chinaman and likely suspect.
Yang would likely be slang for Tyrone Johnson.
By the way, Zach ... I LOL the other day and wanted to relay this to the king of IT'S FRIDAY.
I was at Joint Base Andrews at the PX on Thursday ... I was looking at running shoes ... the AA girl who walked up to help ... I SWEAR ... had a name tag on that said "SHIITE"
Not kidding.
Yang would likely be slang for Tyrone Johnson.
By the way, Zach ... I LOL the other day and wanted to relay this to the king of IT'S FRIDAY.
I was at Joint Base Andrews at the PX on Thursday ... I was looking at running shoes ... the AA girl who walked up to help ... I SWEAR ... had a name tag on that said "SHIITE"
Not kidding.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:52 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Actually, Harvard's current financial aid approach and emphasis on making sure those who cannot afford Harvard can still attend was most definitely not around in the 70s and is rather recent development. You didn't know this?
And you would be wrong. Harvard had aff action for blacks in the early 70s. Try to keep up.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:53 pm to navy
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had a name tag on that said "SHIITE"
1. I'm assuming it's pronounced Shu-Tay.
2. Someone is messing with her.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:54 pm to Zach
quote:However, it isn't directly relational.
And then there is a positive correlation between IQ and income.
Those at the lower end are obviously disabled. However, those at the upper end are not reliably the most successful either. (Yet another argument for campus diversity)
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:55 pm to Zach
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2. Someone is messing with her.
I did several checks to make sure it looked legit ... it had not been altered.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:04 pm to Zach
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And you would be wrong. Harvard had aff action for blacks in the early 70s. Try to keep up.
Umm this isn't affirmative action. This is a new change the financial aid office at Harvard made recently.
I'll help you out here, Zach, only because I feel sorry for you:
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Harvard President Drew Faust and Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences Michael D. Smith today (Dec. 10) announced a sweeping overhaul of financial aid policies designed to make Harvard College more affordable for families across the income spectrum.
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December 10, 2007
Like I said, this isn't AA and this wasn't around in the 70s. I can't simplify this any more for you.
LINK
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Umm this isn't affirmative action. This is a new change the financial aid office at Harvard made recently.
Wow, you really are dense. The topic is DIVERSITY. Harvard has been doing diversity for 50 years.
This is NEW DIVERSITY.
Read the OP again.
You have just proved my point. Harvard is doing NEW DIVERSITY. Poor people that goes beyond merit, beyond race, beyond gender, etc.
Of course the real reason for the NYT crusade is to get STRIVING back into a circumvention of racial quotas. Race based admissions have had some problems with the courts.
STRIVING is very OLD. Did you know that? It was a circumvention started in the 90s. IE, 'We are not letting Leeroy into Harvard because he's black. That's against the law. We're letting him in because he's had a tough life. Why? Because he's black."
This is really old case law. I'm shocked that you are so far behind the curve. Well, not really shocked. But have a nice day and try to keep up.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:29 pm to Zach
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This is NEW DIVERSITY.
Read the OP again.
Unfortunately I read it too many times hoping I would eventually uncover something substantive, but nope. Just a faulty premise and erroneous assumptions.
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You have just proved my point. Harvard is doing NEW DIVERSITY. Poor people that goes beyond merit, beyond race, beyond gender, etc.
No, they aren't, this is the faulty premise I was referring to. Link to back up these claims?
Of course this isn't surprising since you weren't even aware of Harvard's recent, and unique, changes to their financial aid practices. Thats very important context here that you are lacking, Zach.
You are arguing that Harvard, when deciding between two applicants, will choose the less-accomplished one if that individual is poor to add "diversity." Where are you getting this from, since you have yet to provide a single link in this thread?
The truth is, they choose the better candidate, and if that person cannot afford Harvard, they give them generous need-based aid. There is absolutely nothing wrong or discriminatory about that policy.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:42 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Just a faulty premise and erroneous assumptions.
No, it's not a faulty premise nor erroneous assumptions. It's very obvious to everyone here except you. I would call you a moron but that would be unkind.
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Of course this isn't surprising since you weren't even aware of Harvard's recent, and unique, changes to their financial aid practices. Thats very important context here that you are lacking, Zach.
Already beat that argument. But you missed it.
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You are arguing that Harvard, when deciding between two applicants, will choose the less-accomplished one if that individual is poor to add "diversity." Where are you getting this from, since you have yet to provide a single link in this thread?
NYT. Look at the OP. I read it every day at Starbucks. Do your own research if you can't afford the paper.
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The truth is, they choose the better candidate, and if that person cannot afford Harvard, they give them generous need-based aid. There is absolutely nothing wrong or discriminatory about that policy.
I tried. I couldn't get through to your thick skull. Have a nice day while other posters assume you are an idiot.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:48 pm to Zach
One thing I've learned on the poliboard is that if someone is asked multiple times and refuses to share a link (particularly one their entire OP is based on) under the guise of "do your own research," its likely because they are ashamed of their source 
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:50 pm to onmymedicalgrind
And you are wrong...as you usually are. The reason we do not link is because we don't do your home work for you. If I read something in the last few months I link. If I did research papers 20 years ago I don't re do it for you. You don't pay me.
Edit...And I don't link the NYT that I read every day at Starbucks. Buy your own copy.
Edit...And I don't link the NYT that I read every day at Starbucks. Buy your own copy.
This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:53 pm to Zach
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If I read something in the last few months I link
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The NYT has been on a 2 week long kick about a new form of diversity at elite colleges. Not race, not gender... Poverty. There aren't enough poor people admitted to Harvard.
Sooo did you not read this in the last few months or not? So this "2 week long kick" was years ago, you just happened to start a thread on it today? Nap time?
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:54 pm to Zach
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Edit...And I don't link the NYT that I read every day at Starbucks. Buy your own copy.
Someone realized they made a booboo with that post, huh?Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:54 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Look at my post above and feel really stupid.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:54 pm to Zach
You mean look at your edit that was submitted after I started replying to the original?
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:56 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Someone realized they made a booboo with that post, huh?
So what does that have to do with content? I was 30 seconds tardy. You're getting your arse whipped on this thread. Please continue.
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