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re: You be the admissions director
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:05 am to Zach
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:05 am to Zach
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I can explain why this is not 'need based' as is stuck in your brain.
You never even explained what "this" is. Is it some new policy? Something discussed in these NYT articles you refuse to link us to? Some situation you just created in your head?
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Now, the new Poverty idea.
Again, what "new poverty idea?" Whose idea is this? Is this documented somewhere? Is this some new policy? Or just something you made up? Its hard to argue against something that is totally contrived in Zach's head.
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So, the new diversity program lowers the requirement for the poor down to 26.
What new diversity program? Seriously Zach, you literally have made everything up and there is no "new diversity" unless you link me to some evidence. I expect better from you (sometimes).
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:09 am to LSUFanHouston
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y understanding of what Harvard is doing, is different from this. I believe they are dedicating more endowment money to kids who are smart and can handle the academics, but who are poor and cannot afford to attend
Thats exactly what they are doing. I've tried to explain this to Zach several times but he isn't concerned with reality. He's much more enamored with his off the wall hypotheticals that have no basis in fact.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:10 am to onmymedicalgrind
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You never even explained what "this" is. Is it some new policy? Something discussed in these NYT articles you refuse to link us to? Some situation you just created in your head?
Already explained.
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Again, what "new poverty idea?" Whose idea is this? Is this documented somewhere? Is this some new policy? Or just something you made up? Its hard to argue against something that is totally contrived in Zach's head.
Already explained.
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What new diversity program? Seriously Zach, you literally have made everything up and there is no "new diversity" unless you link me to some evidence. I expect better from you (sometimes).
Already explained. I don't mind explaining twice. Zach does not re-explain 3 times to anyone.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:28 am to Zach
You don't have to re-explain, just link me to your prior explanations (if you know how to link, that is) 
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:33 am to LSUFanHouston
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Isn't a 36 ACT score "perfect"? Anyone with a perfect ACT score is getting into any school they wish.
Yes, a 36 is perfect, but a 36 does not guarantee admission.
If you have one spot, who do you take?
John, a white male, from an affluent zip code, that made a 36?
or
Shanika, a Hispanic female from a poor zip code, who is the first of her family to attend college, and made a 30?
99% of the time, Shanika gets in over John.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:42 am to onmymedicalgrind
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You don't have to re-explain, just link me to your prior explanations (if you know how to link, that is)
Scroll up.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:43 am to anc
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Yes, a 36 is perfect, but a 36 does not guarantee admission.
True. Harvard rejects about half of the 36s. But none who are minorities.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:50 am to Zach
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Scroll up
You're doing an awesome job of deflecting and not answering questions directed to you under the guise of "I already answered that" when you clearly haven't. This thread isn't going too well for you
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:19 am to onmymedicalgrind
Sorry, I don't suffer fools. Everyone here knows exactly what I explained and what you are too dense to understand. But have a nice day.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:33 am to Zach
Yes, you explained some random Zach hypothetical, yet tried to pass it off as if it were grounded in reality.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:34 am to anc
A 36 will always get ADMISSION over a 30. Case closed. To argue otherwise is simply silly.
The more likely scenerio is they both get in.
A 30 may well get a SCHOLARSHIP over a 36 if both students are admitted to the school.
The more likely scenerio is they both get in.
A 30 may well get a SCHOLARSHIP over a 36 if both students are admitted to the school.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:37 am to Zach
There are other things at play as well. Test score is not the factor. Nor is race. Things like the essay, leadership positions, resume, etc.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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A 36 will always get ADMISSION over a 30. Case closed. To argue otherwise is simply silly.
I am simply silly then. I've seen 36s with extracurriculars and honors several pages long be denied and a 28 with not even half the accolades get in. Same school. Same class. Different zip code.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:43 am to Zach
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True. Harvard rejects about half of the 36s. But none who are minorities.
I don't even know how you would get access to that information.
Certainly not from Harvard directly.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:44 am to Walking the Earth
Here's the admission matrix from Harvard.
Red is denied. There are definitely some reds in the northeast corner. What about that 15 ACT that was accepted to Harvard with the same GPA as a 36 that was denied?
Red is denied. There are definitely some reds in the northeast corner. What about that 15 ACT that was accepted to Harvard with the same GPA as a 36 that was denied?
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:46 am to LSUFanHouston
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A 36 will always get ADMISSION over a 30. Case closed. To argue otherwise is simply silly.
Not necessarily. GPA and course difficulty are pretty universally considered more important than SAT/ACT scores.
Now, a 4.0 and 1600 (or 36) in a college preparatory curriculum is getting in over anybody else, assuming the barest hint of an extracurricular resume is visible and you don't have a felony record.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:49 am to anc
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Red is denied. There are definitely some reds in the northeast corner.
Maybe but a) it certainly doesn't break them up by race and b) I would have to know the source of this data and where they got their data from.
For instance, does each dot represent a person? Because there look like a lot less than 30,000+ dots that a typical application cycle for Harvard should represent.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:02 pm to Walking the Earth
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I don't even know how you would get access to that information.
Zach has a lot of access to information that you do not know. You must not know. You don't want to know.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Actually, my experience is it happens, silly or not. My presumption is that, anecdote or not, if I've personally observed a couple of occurrences, it ain't all that uncommon.
A 36 will always get ADMISSION over a 30. Case closed. To argue otherwise is simply silly.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 12:30 pm to Zach
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Harvard rejects about half of the 36s. But none who are minorities.
Another Zach claim based on no factual evidence whatsoever. You are on a roll in this thread, buddy.
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