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re: Why Tribalism Took Over Our Politics
Posted on 8/27/23 at 5:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/27/23 at 5:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The base nature of civilization.
The greatest successes of humankind and civilization has been when we have overcome those base natures, not given into them.
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:05 am to CollegeFBRules
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The greatest successes of humankind and civilization has been when we have overcome those base natures,
Utopianism.
"We must overcome how we are made."
Most humans are wired for tribalism, the rest of us are fortunate. Politics is tribal in every sense of the word.
If you can find a new system, I am all for it.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 6:07 am
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:09 am to meldawg399
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Voting Rights Act is a good start.
"Democracy" is tribal.
I don't think tribalism is inherently bad, if you keep your tribe small...like family.
Politics is tribal, period. Its impossible to separate the collective aspect of democracy.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:12 am to financetiger38
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started this cycle we are in before Trump was ever elected president.
When has politics not been tribal?
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
No, it’s not Utopianism. If humanity gave into its base nature from the moment we evolved from apes, we would not be more than hunter and gatherers still warring over tribal lands. Every great achievement of human civilization is an example that what you claim is Utopianism works for the greater good of all.
Capitalism is a system that overcomes tribalism. Color, creed, nationality don’t matter in pursuit of success and profit. People from multiple tribes (nation, race, creed) ignore tribe in pursuit of common success. Space programs transcend sex, politics, ideology in order to see the stars and touch the planets. Tribalism works against that as it pools talent in small groups. We are all better when we allow ourselves to consider beyond our tribe.
Capitalism is a system that overcomes tribalism. Color, creed, nationality don’t matter in pursuit of success and profit. People from multiple tribes (nation, race, creed) ignore tribe in pursuit of common success. Space programs transcend sex, politics, ideology in order to see the stars and touch the planets. Tribalism works against that as it pools talent in small groups. We are all better when we allow ourselves to consider beyond our tribe.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:15 am to CollegeFBRules
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If humanity gave into its base nature from the moment we evolved from apes, we would not be more than hunter and gatherers still warring over tribal lands
Tribalism is a survival instinct. It has always existed, will always exist in politics.
It didn't just arrive.
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“Politics in the United States continues to feel increasingly tribal and divisive,” noted CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in 2018.
this person must be 20 years old.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 6:18 am
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:20 am to TrueTiger
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The only way to get rid of all this is to get rid of the human brain.
I find it more productive to channel our biases into something more positive than team politics.
We have biases, we choose tribes, we just need to keep our tribes small, which means we will also lose elections.
The mob wins in politics.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:21 am to CollegeFBRules
quote:Lack of quality education, indoctrination, and absence of intellectual curiosity.
Why Tribalism Took Over Our Politics
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:23 am to NC_Tigah
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Lack of quality education, indoctrination, and absence of intellectual curiosity.
Well spoken.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Tribalism is a survival instinct. It has always existed, will always exist in politics.
It didn't just arrive.
I do not disagree with this; but it is detrimental.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:24 am to NC_Tigah
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and absence of intellectual curiosity.
Modern humans exist to be entertained, not find meaning. The internet could free mankind from all kind of attachments, and instead has created generations of voyeurs.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:29 am to CollegeFBRules
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I do not disagree with this; but it is detrimental.
Hey, I agree with you. I would love humans to all have independent agency and thrive, but we aren't built that way.
Politics are inherently tribal. Mankind is far away from evolving into independent beings.
The "right" seemed to have an upper hand on all of this until the past 7-8 years, which they also have become a mob.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:35 am to TrueTiger
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Racism is just another form of tribalism.
Sorry, but I agree with OP. It's hard wired.
Our current racial classifications didn't even exist until the 16th century. Civilization managed without them for 5500 years.
Buck O'Neil said "There's no such thing as a racist baby". He's right and the Clown World hacks are wrong.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
You know what I know, Roger? You and I are far more in agreement on things than we aren’t, we just somewhere along the way decided arguing with each other was better than saying, “That dude isn’t so bad.”
You’re right, we’re not. Which is why it takes that extra level of self control to be willing to move beyond our group think in an attempt to achieve a greater good - and I do not mean that in the terms of UBI or socialized anything.
Agree, although if you look at that article, it shows that thirty years ago, the percentage of Democrats viewing Republicans or Republicans viewing Democrats extremely unfavorably has skyrocketed from something like 25% to 75% in that timeframe. We were less tribal in the 80s and 90s than we are now.
Our feelings on Trump are similar, and I will begrudgingly vote with my tribe if he is the nominee because I think the alternative is dangerous.
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Hey, I agree with you. I would love humans to all have independent agency and thrive, but we aren't built that way.
You’re right, we’re not. Which is why it takes that extra level of self control to be willing to move beyond our group think in an attempt to achieve a greater good - and I do not mean that in the terms of UBI or socialized anything.
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Politics are inherently tribal. Mankind is far away from evolving into independent beings.
Agree, although if you look at that article, it shows that thirty years ago, the percentage of Democrats viewing Republicans or Republicans viewing Democrats extremely unfavorably has skyrocketed from something like 25% to 75% in that timeframe. We were less tribal in the 80s and 90s than we are now.
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The "right" seemed to have an upper hand on all of this until the past 7-8 years, which they also have become a mob.
Our feelings on Trump are similar, and I will begrudgingly vote with my tribe if he is the nominee because I think the alternative is dangerous.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 6:37 am
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:39 am to CollegeFBRules
Tribalism has always been in politics. It’s why George Washington warned against political parties John Adams and Thomas Jefferson said some nasty things about each other. Difference in last 40 or so years is the development of internet and the ability of information to get out. Allowing regular joe to become more involved.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:42 am to CollegeFBRules
I didn’t read the whole article but from what you quoted this author is guilty of exactly what he’s claiming everyone else is. He only lists trump and quotes CNN.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:43 am to mgdtiger
Hamilton and Jefferson founded newspapers to talk shite to each other. Trust the media though.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:44 am to DMagic
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He only lists trump and quotes CNN.
No he doesn’t, I only quoted Trump because I know that’s where the interest primarily lies for readers here. The article includes mentions far beyond just Trump.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:44 am to mgdtiger
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Tribalism has always been in politics. It’s why George Washington warned against political parties John Adams and Thomas Jefferson said some nasty things about each other. Difference in last 40 or so years is the development of internet and the ability of information to get out. Allowing regular joe to become more involved.
Yep.
“The root of suffering is attachment.” Seems to apply to politics as well.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:45 am to CollegeFBRules
That’s good at least I’m not giving him money to find out however.
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