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re: Why Tribalism Took Over Our Politics

Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:59 am to
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 6:59 am to
One either joins a tribe which reflects their values or one is forcibly consumed by a tribe that doesn’t. A tribe is more powerful than an individual. The current division is about Values. The Value at issue is essentially the power of Tribalism (Government) vs the Individual Freedom (Constitutional Principal) of the individual. It seems that this ‘Essay’ is a ploy to blame those who value Constitutional Values over Collectivist Government and unite and form a ‘tribe’ to fight against such is somehow an immoral or impractical action. Bottom line: I’m for the whole Human species working compassionately to lift the quality of life for all, per Jesus’s Gospel of Mercy. But I am neither for or believe that it is moral or practical to attempt a form of tribal coercive action based on lies and violent force directed at the opposition ‘tribe’ to accomplish that goal. This essay is ‘word salad’ cooked up to blame the Right in Redneck speak. Won’t fly, when the souls of people’s kids are forced to worship/value Pagan principles. Tribal warfare coming over the hill.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261842 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:00 am to
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6860 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:06 am to
We've always had tribalism. That it's infested politics is not surprising considering the MSM has made it a point to push it.
It's how the elite keep us distracted and at each other's throats.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124234 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:08 am to
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Tribalism has always been in politics.
Relativity is important.
E.g., We've never witnessed tribalism to the degree that our media and half the US public cheered the party in power foisting the power of our government against political opponents in an attempt to jail them.

1824, 1860, and 1876 were bitterly contested, and factionated. But this is a whole new level of awful.

The elections of 1796 and 1800 were also nasty. Washington witnessed one, and the run-up to the other. He hoped they'd not represent the norm. For the most part, he got his wish.

This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 7:21 am
Posted by PhillyTiger90
Member since Dec 2015
10729 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:12 am to
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Calling themselves America’s “exhausted majority,” tens of thousands of people have joined civic groups, with names such as Braver Angels, Listen First and Unify America, and are holding cross-party conversations in search of ways to lower the temperature in political discourse.


A warm fuzzy way of saying GOP voters are going to vote Democrat
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71460 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:14 am to
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No he doesn’t, I only quoted Trump because I know that’s where the interest primarily lies for readers here. The article includes mentions far beyond just Trump.


He also called out the left for getting math problems wrong when the numbers supported an inconvenient conclusion.

Which is the most worrisome because we're supposed to "trust the science".
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
10584 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:22 am to
Two party system has failed, used by government and media to spread division.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68997 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:28 am to
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People in the experiment gave political party more weight than the student’s race or even grade-point average.


So liberals don’t care about race just that you vote D.

quote:

that is, when liberals drew a version of the problem suggesting that gun control was ineffective—they tended to give the wrong answer. They were no more likely to solve the problem correctly than were people in the study who were less adept at math.


Liberals are intellectually dishonest.



Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15912 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:35 am to
Tribalism took over because the progfilth are not content to ruin their own states/cities. They insist on pushing their godless communist agenda on to the entire country.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
12509 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:41 am to
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Trump, in responding to his indictment in Georgia for conspiring to overturn his 2020 loss in that state


The media’s lock and step propaganda to openly report this as fact shows tribalism. This is hypocritical.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
24277 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:06 am to
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The media’s lock and step propaganda to openly report this as fact shows tribalism.


That the indictment accuses him of conspiracy to overturn the election?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423961 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:09 am to
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We've been fighting against statists since the first government was formed.

Not tribalism; simply the inherent yearning for freedom

Trump is a huge statist, though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423961 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:10 am to
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A warm fuzzy way of saying GOP voters are going to vote Democrat

If Trump is the GOP nominee, everyone is voting Democrat, ultimately.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423961 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:12 am to
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The media’s lock and step propaganda to openly report this as fact shows tribalism.


What is incorrect in saying Trump (1) engaged in a conspiracy to (2) flip GA to the GOP?

*ETA: you know not all conspiracies are criminal, right?
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 8:12 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261842 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:15 am to
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Two party system has failed, used by government and media to spread division.


Party politics and identity politics promote groupthink.

Its easier for managers in govt to work with groups than humans.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6860 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:21 am to
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If Trump is the GOP nominee, everyone is voting Democrat, ultimately.


Ultimately, a vote for anyone except Trump is vote for the corporatocracy and the political elite who do their bidding. DeSantis is funded by these deep pocketed entities who hate Trump and are perfectly happy with Biden or any establishment Rino candidate, because their agenda will move forward regardless.

How do you insure your interests are protected?
Back both candidates in an election, giving the masses an illusion of choice.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8421 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:21 am to
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to push beyond that initial response to get to reasoned debate and decency.


We don't negotiate with people who steal elections, baw. You can't 'reason' with people who slaughter babies. There is no 'decency' in people who march nude in front of children, while chanting......

"We're here, we're queer, and we're coming for your children".

Go peddle your insults someone else. Some things are not negotiable. Now you and your Moral Relativist pals can accuse, taunt us MAGA's all you want, we cling to something you folks don't understand or accept. It's called Absolute Truth. We don't do situational ethics.

Oh, and I almost forgot.....

Trump 2024 - Drill Baby Drill
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 8:56 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261842 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:23 am to
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DeSantis is funded by these deep pocketed entities who hate Trump


Most normal people dislike Trump.

He has to win over independents to win, thats not going to happen.

He had 4 years and is begging for a chance. He had a chance.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423961 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:25 am to
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a vote for anyone except Trump is vote for the corporatocracy

A vote for Trump is a vote for the corporatocracy.

Did you miss the trillions Trump printed in 2020 to prop up corporations across the US? Ever heard of PPP?

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and the political elite

Again, Trump is the political elite. His financial supporters are part of the political elite, too. His only policies that survive are GOPE policies.

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DeSantis is funded by

The same people who funded Trump and will fund him again if he's the nominee.

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establishment Rino candidate,

Again, Trump's only lasting legacies are RINO policies (cutting taxes, conservative judicial nominees, etc.)
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
13026 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:31 am to
Who are you voting for?
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