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Why Do We Even Honor CSA Leaders, A Country We Defeated?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:40 am
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:40 am
I'm not saying I even agree or disagree with the choice. It just seems that there is no other country that honors the military of a country that it defeated, on its own soil, no less.
In addition to various statues, buildings, and towns, almost all of the U.S. Army posts in the South are named after Confederate generals.
I am asking for opinions on why we have chisen to honor leaders of a rebellion that was rightly put-down at the cost of thousands of lives and untold damage to our own country.
Also, I understand the states-rights argument, and give it as much credence as possible. It is unfortunate that one of the main rights the Confederacy was trying to preserve was the right to enslave an entire race; it damages their credibility for any legitimate reasons they originally had for seceding.
I grew up in the 'New South'; perhaps there is not as much allegiance to the CSA in this and future generations.
In addition to various statues, buildings, and towns, almost all of the U.S. Army posts in the South are named after Confederate generals.
I am asking for opinions on why we have chisen to honor leaders of a rebellion that was rightly put-down at the cost of thousands of lives and untold damage to our own country.
Also, I understand the states-rights argument, and give it as much credence as possible. It is unfortunate that one of the main rights the Confederacy was trying to preserve was the right to enslave an entire race; it damages their credibility for any legitimate reasons they originally had for seceding.
I grew up in the 'New South'; perhaps there is not as much allegiance to the CSA in this and future generations.
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:41 am to RFK
As if there aren't enough threads discussing this already. You should be banned.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:42 am to RFK
Perhaps you should move out of the South and never come back.
This may not be the place for you.
This may not be the place for you.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:43 am to RFK
quote:For the same reason we honor RFK.
Why Do We Even Honor CSA Leaders, A Country We Defeated?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:43 am to navy
Why?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:44 am to RFK
Because you touch yourself at night, pervert
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:44 am to RFK
This has always been my argument. If you go to Germany do you see monuments to great Nazi leaders everywhere? The Confederacy is a shameful part of our nation's history.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:46 am to RFK
quote:
I'm not saying I even agree or disagree with the choice. It just seems that there is no other country that honors the military of a country that it defeated, on its own soil, no less.
The US government does not. The individual city did. Did you think the US Government put the statues up?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:46 am to Haughton99
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If you go to Germany do you see monuments to great Nazi leaders everywhere?
Ho. Lee. shite. no pun intended.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:46 am to RFK
Who says we are honoring them?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:47 am to RFK
Why do we ignore history
Does that make it go away
Does that make it go away
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:47 am to RFK
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Because at one time the Constitution meant something, and then Abe Lincoln became POTUS, and we should never forget that.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:48 am to tigersbh
You're either lying or incredibly naive if you say statues erected, schools named after them, and naming Army posts is not honoring them.
What else would it mean?
What else would it mean?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:49 am to RFK
Rather than attack you, I'll try and explain it as best that I feel on the subject.
The Confederacy is part of southern heritage. It had a lot of bad elements, true. There are things that the CSA did that should never be repeated in the history of the world.
That said, the beginning of the USA had the same errors, the same malicious deeds. Andrew Jackson still appears on our money, despite being responsible for the Trail of Tears.
Good or bad, it is part of our heritage. The vast majority of men who fought for the South were not trying to "keep their slaves" as most had none. They were fighting for love of their state, and for the ability to self govern. The CSA was, if anything, the end of love of one's home state, at least to the extent it once was. The idea of fighting for Virginia, as opposed to the US, is long gone.
Men like Robert E. Lee disagreed with slavery, but led the soldiers because of his love of Virginia. These men were not Nazis.
I mean, the North still holds up Sherman as a great general, despite the things he did that would be considered war crimes by today's standards.
The Confederacy is part of southern heritage. It had a lot of bad elements, true. There are things that the CSA did that should never be repeated in the history of the world.
That said, the beginning of the USA had the same errors, the same malicious deeds. Andrew Jackson still appears on our money, despite being responsible for the Trail of Tears.
Good or bad, it is part of our heritage. The vast majority of men who fought for the South were not trying to "keep their slaves" as most had none. They were fighting for love of their state, and for the ability to self govern. The CSA was, if anything, the end of love of one's home state, at least to the extent it once was. The idea of fighting for Virginia, as opposed to the US, is long gone.
Men like Robert E. Lee disagreed with slavery, but led the soldiers because of his love of Virginia. These men were not Nazis.
I mean, the North still holds up Sherman as a great general, despite the things he did that would be considered war crimes by today's standards.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:50 am to Haughton99
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his has always been my argument. If you go to Germany do you see monuments to great Nazi leaders everywhere? The Confederacy is a shameful part of our nation's history.
You have Nazi Concentration camps. They give tours and everything/ You didn't knnow this?
Auschwitz
Holocaust Tour Sachsenhausen Tour
And there are a lot of others. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:51 am to RFK
Man you are right.
Let's do like ISIS and the Taliban and wipe all evidence of those inferior cultures off the face of the earth, forever.
Next up, the Pyramids.
Let's do like ISIS and the Taliban and wipe all evidence of those inferior cultures off the face of the earth, forever.
Next up, the Pyramids.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:51 am to skrayper
Some valid points but it still doesn't explain why we hold CSA leaders in high regard by erecting statutes to them and naming places after them.
We should never forget history. The Civil War should be taught to all Americans so it doesn't happen again.
Taking statues down is not erasing history, not even in the slightest. If a statue comes down, it doesn't mean we are re-writing history.
We should never forget history. The Civil War should be taught to all Americans so it doesn't happen again.
Taking statues down is not erasing history, not even in the slightest. If a statue comes down, it doesn't mean we are re-writing history.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:52 am to skrayper
Best explanation I have ever seen, Skrayper. 
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:54 am to RFK
quote:
Some valid points but it still doesn't explain why we hold CSA leaders in high regard by erecting statutes to them and naming places after them.
Do you know what the information plate says on the statue? that might explain why they did it.
(I don't know what they said, by the way...just offering a possible explanation)
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:54 am to DawgsLife
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You have Nazi Concentration camps. They give tours and everything/ You didn't knnow this?
Auschwitz
Holocaust Tour Sachsenhausen Tour
And there are a lot of others. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Auschwitz is a "monument to great Nazi leaders" as I said in my post? I'm almost 100% sure if there were a museum in New Orleans that was set up to display evidence of Confederate atrocities and to the poor treatment of slaves that there wouldn't be a push from anyone to have it shut down.
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