re: Why Do We Even Honor CSA Leaders, A Country We Defeated?

The same liberals and Democrats that champion Sherman and honor his statue.

Are appalled and disgusted that we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, outraged that we'd kill civilians in Syria and the Middle East by carpet bombing.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy. They are completly fine with Sherman killing innoncent American women and children.

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Rhett Butler made one of the best statements about the demise of the Old South.

"Look at them, all these poor tragic people. The South sinking to its knees. It'll never rise again. 'The Cause!' The cause of living in the past is dying right in front of us."

--Rhett Butler

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And yet he was hopelessly in love with a woman who owned slaves.

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And yet he was hopelessly in love with a woman who owned slaves.

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Her parents owned them. Then they were freed on 1/1/63 by President Lincoln.




One of the casual throw away lines in "Gone With the Wind" is when Scarlett tells Pork the house servant, "Don't cry. I can stand anyone's tears but yours."

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Why Do We Even Honor CSA Leaders, A Country We Defeated?

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Because "we" is not a universal term as this is a republic. States are allowed to honor whomever they want to.

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You're either lying or incredibly naive if you say statues erected, schools named after them, and naming Army posts is not honoring them. What else would it mean?

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Perhaps the people who put them up years and years ago were honoring them, but I sure don't honor Robert E. Lee when I drive by the statue. It's just history to me, just like it was to you before the national liberals told you to be offended by them.

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Perhaps....but I'd bet my son was born farther south than anyone else on this board.

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If a man bets you that a one legged, one eyed chicken is about to walk through the door, don't bet him. Because, just as surely as you do...a one legged, one eyed chicken will stroll through that door.

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Scarlett? Until Mammy was freed, Scarlett owned her. I'm pretty sure that Scarlett's parents were out of the picture before 1/1/1863...but, I must admit that i am not a fan nor an expert on GWTW.

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As you say, you are not an expert on GWTW.

When Scarlett went to Atlanta to stay with Aunt Pittypat, her mother sent Prissy with her. Mammy didn't go. The parents owned them all. That would have been the summer of '62. 1/1/63 followed hard on. Ashley got Christmas leave at the end of '63. Nine months later, the Yankees were bombarding Atlanta. The city was surrendered on 9/2/64. Scarlett decided to go back to Tara and took preggers Melanie with her. She found her mother dead, and her father was looney tunes. Gerald passed in November 1865.

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The real tragedy is how long it took the Union to squash the rebellion. How in God's name does it take a nation as powerful as the United States, almost 5 years to bring about an end to war, against a rebellion held together by string, sitting 90 miles from DC?

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The field army - The Army of the Potomac- closest to Richmond was very ineptly led until Grant came from the West to set everything right. It is even thought McClellan, who twice commanded the AofTP was perhaps a traitor. He was the Butch Jones of the war. The War Department was also a drag on operations. When Grant DID come east, he set up a parallel chain of command to circumvent the SecWar Stanton.

It also proved difficult to operate in Virginia. The terrain is crappy and crossed by numerous rivers. Maps were poor to nonexistent. The locals sympathized with the rebels. Look at Lee -- when he tried operate outside of Virginia, he did little better than the Yankees had -in- Virginia.

Once Grant was on the scene he choked the life out of the rebellion in a year.

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The CSA was, if anything, the end of love of one's home state, at least to the extent it once was. The idea of fighting for Virginia, as opposed to the US, is long gone.

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Haven't been to rural Tennessee lately, have you?

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Yeah, well, you didn't put the statue up, did you?

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No I don't think those guys are still around!