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re: Why Do We Even Honor CSA Leaders, A Country We Defeated?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:37 pm to SouthernHog
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:37 pm to SouthernHog
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Not defending it, but you do realize that it was pretty normal for slaves to be treated this way across all cultures. Nobody can say it wasn't a bad time in the history of our country
Not defending it either, but acting like blacks are the only ones who suffored throughout history is inaccurate.
My replay was to the guy who said the slaves were beaten, raped and lynched...not to you.
However, you are right. All peoples have had slaves and have been enslaved at one time or other.
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:37 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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WhiskeyPapa
you keep quoting the invader...Lincoln...read this:
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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:38 pm to DawgsLife
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However, you are right. All peoples have had slaves and have been enslaved at one time or other.
Didn't mean to single you out, at one point, all people were slaves
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:38 pm to Machine
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You aren't going to argue that one slavery was better than another, are you?
im arguing they weren't slaves
I understand that, but the Irish have been enslaved in their history.
(As far as I know, I don't have any irish blood in me)
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:39 pm to DawgsLife
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Apparently you don't realize that there were Irish slaves in the United States, too.
Indentured servants.
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I don't want to get into a "We were treated worse than they were" type of argument. But for anybody to say your slavery was not as bad as ours, just seems....bad.
That whole argument is in defense of some white people trying to diminish what black went through in this country, but yet will argue removing statues is "erasing history"
Some white people want to say things like irish were slaves too. That is false. Then they people like Bill Orielly will say things like slaves were fed and housed as to say they were getting a fair deal.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:40 pm to DawgsLife
They have been taught that AA's were the only slaves in history, which is false. They seem to want some sort of street cred to say otherwise.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:41 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Some white people want to say things like irish were slaves too. That is false. Then they people like Bill Orielly will say things like slaves were fed and housed as to say they were getting a fair deal.
That was me, i dont dimminish what AA's went through, but to act like they were the only ones ever is an insult to history.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:43 pm to SouthernHog
I'm not going to lie, thank you for the spirited debate this afternoon gentlemen, it was awesome. 
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:43 pm to SouthernHog
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That was me, i dont dimminish what AA's went through, but to act like they were the only ones ever is an insult to history.
I am not trying to diminish what the Irish went through but what I am saying is
Irish Slavery(although just as evil) is not = to slavery that the Blacks went through in this country.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:44 pm to RFK
Why does Philadelphia have a statue to Rocky?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:45 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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I am not trying to diminish what the Irish went through but what I am saying is Irish Slavery(although just as evil) is not = to slavery that the Blacks went through in this country.
Where is your proof though?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:46 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Indentured servants.
Slaves
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That whole argument is in defense of some white people trying to diminish what black went through in this country, but yet will argue removing statues is "erasing history"
Who is trying to diminish what slaves went through? or African-Americans after the Civil War.
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Some white people want to say things like irish were slaves too. That is false.
Is there some kind of badge of honor to claim blacks were the only slaves? I can't think of a single group of people who were never slaves at some point in their history. That doesn't lessen what blacks went through during their slavery in the United States.
It also doesn't lessen the slavery the Italians went through in Africa.
White Slaves in Africa
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:48 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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I am not trying to diminish what the Irish went through but what I am saying is
Irish Slavery(although just as evil) is not = to slavery that the Blacks went through in this country.
I honestly don't know enough about Irish slavery to comment. I do know that African slaves in the US were treated badly, and it is a sad, sad chapter in the history of our country.
All that said, I have to go somewhere. I enjoyed (If you can say you enjoy a discussion about slavery) our discussion.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:52 pm to SouthernHog
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Where is your proof though?
I mean look at post slavery. (not even going to address what happened during slavery)
How many lynchings were performed on the Irish?
How many Irish water fountains were there?
How many HICUs Historically Irish Colleges and Universities had to be founded?
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:55 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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I mean look at post slavery. (not even going to address what happened during slavery)
I will, alot of blacks use slavery as an excuse for their failures.
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How many HICUs Historically Irish Colleges and Universities had to be founded?
The Feds use blacks.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:57 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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How many lynchings were performed on the Irish?
They got nothing on the Italians.
Largest Mass Lynching in US History
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:59 pm to SouthernHog
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I will, alot of blacks use slavery as an excuse for their failures.
Define failures.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 3:00 pm to RFK
Every single time I look at a Confederate statue, I ponder human nature and how some men could be objectively virtuous and still fight for the cause of slavery. It is a thought provoking and valuable lesson no different than the analogous Good German.
They didn't feel a part of the larger US. I often don't feel a part of the larger US.
They fought on the side of slavery. But what things might I be on the wrong side of? What evil was committed by the Union? We haven't torn down founding fathers who supported slavery (yet). Why these soldiers? Are we mostly mad at the slavery or the treason?
These are vexatious questions that, thanks to our liberal protectors, we will no longer even be asking. We can all be completely comfortable knowing that we are the final paragon of moral excellence and that scholars 250 years hence will find no evil in the society of 2017.
They didn't feel a part of the larger US. I often don't feel a part of the larger US.
They fought on the side of slavery. But what things might I be on the wrong side of? What evil was committed by the Union? We haven't torn down founding fathers who supported slavery (yet). Why these soldiers? Are we mostly mad at the slavery or the treason?
These are vexatious questions that, thanks to our liberal protectors, we will no longer even be asking. We can all be completely comfortable knowing that we are the final paragon of moral excellence and that scholars 250 years hence will find no evil in the society of 2017.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 3:00 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Define failures.
Hmmm, the failure to not get ahead.
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