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re: Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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To you, and only because to accept it would invalidate claims of Biblical authority.
I don't get your point here. It's like you honestly believe it would have made more sense for OT prophets to write in modern English or Mandarin Chinese in order to deliver a message to the ancient Hebrews?
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The robes priests wear is very similar to what pagan priests wore.
As well as what Hebrews wore. And Greeks. And Romans....pretty much everyone. Pants are a modern invention.
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:04 pm to LSUlunatic
I have plenty of evidence. It's your fault that you won't accept it.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:05 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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I don't get your point here. It's like you honestly believe it would have made more sense for OT prophets to write in modern English or Mandarin Chinese in order to deliver a message to the ancient Hebrews?
Not at all, but some degree of apparent divine inspiration should be evident one would think. There is nothing in the Bible that couldn't have been written by uninspired bronze age nomads, and that's the point. Nothing about the writing inherently suggests "Oh, this seems divinely inspired".
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:13 pm to LSUlunatic
My original post was aimed an understanding the inconsistency re: the burden of proof needed for climate change but not religious beliefs. I don't understand why some apply reason in some instances but not others.
eta: I think the inconsistency is attributable to a false narrative people intake in order to support their own ignorances. Thoughts?
eta: I think the inconsistency is attributable to a false narrative people intake in order to support their own ignorances. Thoughts?
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Clearly along with works like the Epic of Gilgamesh, various books of the OldTestament would be standout literature from the age, regardless of religious significance.
uninspired bronze age nomads
But since you brought it up, do you have examples of mundane works from uninspired bronze age nomads?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:22 pm to LSUlunatic
Everytime you walk outside you are standing on the proof fool, you just too dumb to know it.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:29 pm to LSUlunatic
quote:Climate change claims falsifiability, and in many instances has been falsified.
eta: I think the inconsistency is attributable to a false narrative people intake in order to support their own ignorances. Thoughts?
Religion, not so much.
LINK
What about that is confusing?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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Clearly along with works like the Epic of Gilgamesh, various books of the OldTestament would be standout literature from the age, regardless of religious significance.
Sure, but I don't see anybody claiming that Gilgamesh saved their eternal soul.
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But since you brought it up, do you have examples of mundane works from uninspired bronze age nomads?
The book of Numbers
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:33 pm to NC_Tigah
Why be skeptical of climate change but not religion? Why require scientific data to support your beliefs re: climate change but require no such data to support your religious beliefs? Do you not see the inconsistency?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:37 pm to LSUlunatic
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I think the inconsistency is attributable to a false narrative people intake in order to support their own ignorances. Thoughts?
Religion isn't really falsifiable because many of its ideas involve things that supposedly exist outside the physical universe. We don't have the ability to test religion.
Now, we can falsify certain claims of various religions (such as a global flood) but religion in general can't be disproven.
That doesn't mean there is any good reason to believe any of the claims made by organized religion are true, though.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:38 pm to LSUlunatic
quote:Do yourself a favor. Look up falsifiability. Once you have, I'll happily address any further questions you have relative to religion vs science.
Why be skeptical of climate change but not religion? Why require scientific data to support your beliefs re: climate change but require no such data to support your religious beliefs? Do you not see the inconsistency?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Sure, but I don't see anybody claiming that Gilgamesh saved their eternal soul.
Nobody says that about Noah either.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Religion isn't really falsifiable because many of its ideas involve things that supposedly exist outside the physical universe. We don't have the ability to test religion.
Now, we can falsify certain claims of various religions (such as a global flood) but religion in general can't be disproven.
That doesn't mean there is any good reason to believe any of the claims made by organized religion are true, though.
well said
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:44 pm to LSUlunatic
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Why require scientific data to support your beliefs re: climate change but require no such data to support your religious beliefs?
Again, the technical answer is because one deals with the physical world while the other does not.
Practically, the reason is simply that such double standards are necessary for religion to sustain itself. If all people applied a strictly evidence-based approach to religious belief across the board, religion could not survive. All currently proposed religions violate what we know about the natural world in various ways and none have empirical, reproducible and objective measures by which God reaches people.
So while religion IS inherently different than climate, that isn't the reason most people apply different standards to the topics. In reality its because they were taught religion before they possessed finely tuned powers of critical thinking and religion became a vital part of their existence before they ever had a chance to reject it. Most people aren't presented with politics until they are much more capable of discerning reality from fiction.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:46 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Nobody says that about Noah either.
I'm gonna give you a mulligan on this one.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:47 pm to LSUlunatic
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Why be skeptical of climate change but not religion?
A lot of the climate change predictions failed to materialize.
Climate change isn't equivalent to religion in general. It's equivalent to Harold Camping. The world didn't end in 2011, so we can dismiss Camping as a prophet or a biblical authority. Or Pat Robertson--he said God told him a major hurricane would hit the US in 2006 and it didn't happen. We can dismiss him as a false prophet without rejecting Christianity.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:54 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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A lot of the climate change predictions failed to materialize.
To be fair, the same can be said of many religious prophecies. Muhammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith and Buddha all made statements about future events which failed to materialize in the given timeframe.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
Religious beliefs around the world have not been falsified. How does one, therefore, logically support Christian beliefs but not Muslim beliefs or vise versa?
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Et tu, Brute?
A lot of the climate change predictions failed to materialize.
To be fair, the same can be said of many religious prophecies.
Are you categorizing religion as part of science class, or are you dropping AGW into religion class?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:01 pm to LSUlunatic
quote:Religious beliefs are unfalsifiable.
Religious beliefs
THAT IS THE POINT!
At least until the 2nd Coming.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 4:02 pm
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