re: Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?

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We can and have experimentally replicated NDE of all types using ketamine.

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Link??????

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Because their is a ton of evidence to support religion. From old books from the bible to modern day visits to Heaven and meetings with Jesus.

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We can and have experimentally replicated NDE of all types using ketamine.

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Considering its psychotropic nature, I'm not sure what a "NDE" d/t ketamine would even mean. Hallucinogens produce hallucinations.

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Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?

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At least you agree that climate change=religion

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Indeed.

What a weird thread though.

Climate change claims falsifiability, and in many instances has been falsified.
Religion, not so much.

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Roger, you really are showing your ignorance tonight.

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If you are among the approximately 32 percent of the world population that considers themselves Christian, you were probably raised to believe that the Bible was written in some sort of historical vacuum—the various authors being inspired by God alone and having no outside influences whatsoever. However, the many books that make up the Bible were, in fact, written by a number of different authors, some of whom are unknown. And these men were influenced in a variety of ways. This is in accordance with historical patterns, and connections to older references can be found in almost any other religious and or historical text. Although this topic has been much debated, it’s commonly accepted by scholars today that the following parts of the Bible may have been influenced by other cultures:

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The early Christians and Pagans shared many rituals and practices. Authors Freke & Gandy appear to assume that all of the copying was done by Christians from Pagan sources. 3 However, some might have gone in the opposite direction. During the 3rd century CE, Mithraism and Christianity were the main competitors for the religious affiliation the citizens of Romans. Some Christian practices might have actually been picked up by the Mithraites, rather than vice-versa.

Many early Christians celebrated Jesus' birthday on JAN-6. Armenian Christians still do. In Alexandria, in what is now Egypt, the birthday of their god-man, Aion, was also celebrated on JAN-6.
Christians and most Pagans eventually celebrated the birthday of their god-man on DEC-25.
According to an ancient Christian tradition, Christ died on MAR-23 and resurrected on MAR-25. These dates agree precisely with the death and resurrection of Attis.
Baptism was a principal ritual; it washed away a person's sins. In some rituals, Baptism was performed by sprinkling holy water on the believer; in others, the person was totally immersed.
The most important sacrament was a ritual meal of bread and wine which symbolize the god-man's body and blood. His followers were accused of engaging in cannibalism.
Early Christians initiated converts in March and April by baptism. Mithraism initiated their new members at this time as well.
Early Christians were naked when they were baptized. After immersion, they then put on white clothing and a crown. They carried a candle and walked in a procession to a basilica. Followers of Mithra were also baptized naked, put on white clothing and a crown, and walked in a procession to the temple. However, they carried torches.
At Pentecost, the followers of Jesus were recorded as speaking in tongues. At Trophonius and Delos, the Pagan priestesses also spoke in tongues: They appeared to speak in such a way that each person present heard her words in the observer's own language.
An inscription to Mithras reads: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation." 1 In John 6:53-54, Jesus is said to have repeated this theme: "...Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (KJV)
The Bible records that Jesus was crucified between two thieves. One went to heaven and the other to hell. In the Mithras mysteries, a common image showed Mithras flanked by two torchbearers, one on either side. One held a torch pointed upwards, the other downwards. This symbolized ascent to heaven or descent to hell.
In Attis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform. The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform. The believer was then considered to have been "born again." Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb. This practice was interpreted symbolically by Christians.
There were many additional points of similarity between Mithraism and Christianity. 2 St. Augustine even declared that the priests of Mithraism worshiped the same God as he did:
Followers of both religions celebrated a ritual meal involving bread. It was called a missa in Latin or mass in English.
Both the Catholic church and Mithraism had a total of seven sacraments.
Epiphany, JAN-6, was originally the festival in which the followers of Mithra celebrated the visit of the Magi to their newborn god-man. The Christian Church took it over in the 9th century.

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There are a thousand sources discussing this topic all over the internet.

I usually dont like embarrassing people like this, but Im just really sick of your ignorant, lying bullshite. You're a disgrace to rational debate.

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Hallucinogens produce hallucinations.

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As do NDE. A brain deprived of oxygen can produce profound and deeply convincing hallucinations.

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Made in his image, remember? I should expect a mind created by a God who wants his creation to know him would be capable of sufficiently understanding him inherently apart from the teachings of other humans. Not in a generic, "there is a God because the sunset is pretty" way but n a specific way. The first conscious thought of every human should be "Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life". Any deficiencies in our ability to understand God are the fault of the creator, not the creation. Religion is inherently illogical, illustrated by the fact that the field of apologetics exists. A real, omnipotent creator God would not require his creation to explain him.

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Roger...solid stuff!

Re the bolded...it's not the "fault" of the Creator; it's the choice. And only in that choice, is TRUE individual sovereignty realized. For if God were to make it the ultimate and obvious truth (it's existence, over that of the individual)...then such would be a nullification to them that DO NOT desire to make God the ultimate value...over their own self. I.e., like the 'shining angel' chose to do.

It's up to us to determine whether or not there is a *God*; at least in our own subjective version of reality. If one chooses not to validate the Idea that Conscious Being (total unity/love, aware of it's self) as being the model from the which we "are created in It's image)...then it is well within one's power to do so. NWS that there are diametrically-opposed consequences to such a choice; such consequence being that one's ULTIMATE reality is created by one's own subjective choice. And one's partners/brethren...become mere 'phantoms' of one's own imagination. Translation...ultimate aloneness. Hell...in Biblespeak.

I know this makes absolutely no sense, to them who haven't built a bridge out into the philosophical abstract. Whatever. Faith based on faith...or Faith based on Truth...or Faith based on Love. All end up in the same place. Faith (belief) based on no god - but Nature - also leads to a particular end. You can love Nature...but Nature WILL NEVER love you back. Because it has no (consciousness, at it's core) from which to love one back.

Choose wisely. To each their own. It all goes back to the Source. More a matter of how one feels about the 'transition'.

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Christianity actually borrows from Roman mythology quite a bit.

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Actually it goes back further than the Romans. The ancient Greeks believed the earth was flat and was covered by a great blue dome. When the sun passed by you could see the interior of the dome (the sky). When the sun went away you could see the cracks in the dome where the lights of heaven were visibly shining through (the stars).

When you died your soul went up to the other side of the dome... heaven.

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As do NDE. A brain deprived of oxygen can produce profound and deeply convincing hallucinations.

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Hmmm...interesting. My father had a vision on his death bed. He said 'Look, it's John. Right at the foot of the bed. He's come for me.'

Then he died.

I told my brother about his last words and asked "BTW, who the hell is John."

Bro: "That is the real name of his brother. our Uncle Jackie. He died 20 years ago."