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re: Why can't people understand that socialized medicine will ultimately fail?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:01 am to DirtyMike
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:01 am to DirtyMike
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We also spend the most per capita.
Real life example before I was an educated health care consumer. I just had really never bothered before.
Knee pain while in Birmingham. Guess who I went to see. Yep, Dr. Andrews because he was "the best". I skipped the GP because I wanted the best care for basically a swollen knee with no damage.
Why did I do that? There are several reasons really. The first is that I thought I really had a serious issue because of the pain. The second is that I wanted the best doctor for the job. The last is that Dr. Andrews has marketed himself well.
Because my insurance pretty much allowed for this without much thought or financial pain I likely created a claim that was triple the value of what it should have been.
My GP could have done what they did which only an x-ray and an Rx for anti-inflammatory meds.
We are completely disconnected from the true cost of care.
Another example is getting MRIs in hosptials. Another is getting care at the brand name/most expensive hospital/clinic without ever researcher their actual outcomes.
We are a mess in that regard.
ETA: Clearly, I didn't see Dr. Andrews. I went to his clinic. He wouldn't bother flying on his personal jet in from the beach to see me in B'ham just to tell me I was sore.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 9:04 am
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:01 am to dkreller
quote:Your memory must be way better than mine. I recognize your username but I don't remember having an exchange with you about healthcare.
Yeah Sputnik. We've met in another healthcare thread.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:02 am to Hog on the Hill
2 points represents a lot of people. I was made aware of this during this election cycle. 
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:02 am to Hog on the Hill
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No shite! You know what I meant.
I didn't, honestly. I tend to take people literally when I don't know them well enough to guess their meaning.
Ah well then, it's all good.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:03 am to roadGator
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Although the NHS came third overall for the timeliness of care, its "short waiting times" were praised. "There is a frequent misperception that trade-offs between universal coverage and timely access to specialised services are inevitable. However, the Netherlands, UK and Germany provide universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to speciality services,", the report added.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:03 am to roadGator
Constant ordering of MRIs and other "excessive" tests is a result of fear of malpractice suits.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 9:05 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:04 am to Bench McElroy
You can argue with the NHS survey all you want. They did it.
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The three main reasons that people gave for being dissatisfied with the health service were: long waiting times, staff shortages and lack of funding.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:06 am to dkreller
Even so, MRIs done in the hospital is usually the most expensive way to get that service.
My wife just did this accidentally and it cost me three times what it should have.
My wife just did this accidentally and it cost me three times what it should have.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:10 am to roadGator
Well sometimes it's worth the price to get it immediately than waiting a long time.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:12 am to roadGator
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Reform was founded in 2001 out of a concern that the record public spending increases that followed would not in fact transform public services, or improve economic productivity, in the way that was hoped.
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Reform
Established: 2001.
Political links. Good relations with Tories. Nick Herbert, Shadow Justice Secretary helped set it up.
Status: Charity.
Director: Andrew Haldenby, former head of political section, Conservative Research Department.
Aims: to advance free market ideas and show that reform, as opposed to more spending, is the way to improve public services.
Most recent annual turnover: £550,000.
Funding sources: businesses, individuals and philanthropists.
They seem like the UK version of The Heritage Foundation. Not surprising that they aren't happy with "socialized health care".
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:16 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:What do you think it would be in the UK if every news outlet was constantly crying about its faults, and emphasizing how much better care is elsewhere?
What do you think satisfaction in the US is right now?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:16 am to dkreller
There are situations where doing the MRI "now" and "here" is beneficial for sure.
My example was not one of those.
My example was not one of those.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:17 am to Bench McElroy
They aren't happy or the survey respondents aren't happy?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:17 am to PoundFoolish
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Why can't people understand that socialized medicine will ultimately fail?
You mean like in Denmark and France and Spain and England?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:34 am to PoundFoolish
Do you really believe that people with life-threatening situations are waiting 4 hours in U.K. emergency rooms?
I'm not advocating for one system or another, but I have plenty of experience with the U.K. system. You aren't going to wait long if you get shot or get in a car wreck.
I'm not advocating for one system or another, but I have plenty of experience with the U.K. system. You aren't going to wait long if you get shot or get in a car wreck.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:47 am to dkreller
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60-70% satisfaction is pretty shitty when you're talking about healthcare.
But I'm sure you're going to provide me with other stats of socialized medicine in other countries to prove that 60-70% is actually "good".
And polls so often breaks down to: (a guess)
65% - good
25% - bad
10% - not sure
5% - no opinion
percentage of error 5%
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:04 am to PoundFoolish
I tend to agree with you on socialized medicine. The British system is really bad. But, in the future get you info from someone not named Alex Jones
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:06 am to CoachChappy
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My uncle's best friend from England died due to the socialized medicine over there
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
My grandmother from Louisiana died due to privatized medicine over here. She was having a pacemaker put in, and when they looed up the tables to see what her life expectancy should be at 65, the table told them she could be expected to live 10 more years, so they only put a ten-year battery in. 11 years later when the battery failed, she was still driving, still preparing dinner for her elderly friends, and still travelling to visit her great grandchildren. The doctors determined, however, that she wouldn't survive the surgery to replace the battery, so they didn't. And she died.
Apparently no one cares about our privatized death panels, they just care about make-believe government ones.
But anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:08 am to PoundFoolish
fake news
commies, winning
commies, winning
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:12 am to roadGator
Have you ever personally known anyone living in England and had this talk, even a visitor ( me - yes - even a health care worker)... how about anyone actually practicing medicine in a country with universal health care (me - a family member).... or known and talked to people from Canada (me - dozens of dozens, me- been there often, and helped host 100's in a mutual sports competition in this country)... or known people who flew back home to get medical care because of what they found in this country (me -couple different countries)?
And all these folks disagree with your assumptions.
To simply regurgitate stale falsehoods retold-over and over doesn't change them to better falsehoods. Nor make the truth something different. Nor does being afraid of what you don't know less of a man (get over it). I can tell you, (trust me) they all get scared at the idea of getting a injury, hurt, or ill while visiting here.
And all these folks disagree with your assumptions.
To simply regurgitate stale falsehoods retold-over and over doesn't change them to better falsehoods. Nor make the truth something different. Nor does being afraid of what you don't know less of a man (get over it). I can tell you, (trust me) they all get scared at the idea of getting a injury, hurt, or ill while visiting here.
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