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re: Why can't people understand that socialized medicine will ultimately fail?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:38 am to CoachChappy
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:38 am to CoachChappy
quote:That's a pretty shitty scenario, but it sounds like smoking killed your uncle's best friend. Also, emphysema cannot "turn into" lung cancer. He had emphysema and also developed lung cancer. The diseases have completely different processes and one cannot lead to the other, though they can have a common cause (probably smoking, since smoking is the leading cause of both emphysema and lung cancer).
Ball game. My uncle's best friend from England died due to the socialized medicine over there. He had to wait 6 months for a doctor's appt. When the time came for his appt, they called and asked if he had any new symptoms. When he said no, they canceled his appointment. Unbeknownst to him, his emphysema had developed into lung cancer. by the time he saw a doctor, it was stage 4. frick socialized medicine!
I'm guessing it was smoking because the second leading cause of lung cancer, radon gas exposure, does not cause emphysema.
With that said, he should have been diagnosed sooner because it sounds like he was a high risk individual and should have been screened for lung cancer more thoroughly. It probably wouldn't have saved his life though... I'm not sure if patients with emphysema are surgical candidates. He was in very bad shape, from the sound of it.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:40 am
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:39 am to Hog on the Hill
I just read the "key findings" in your link and now I'm even more terrified.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:40 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
That's a pretty shitty scenario, but it sounds like smoking killed your uncle's best friend. Also, emphysema cannot "turn into" lung cancer. He had emphysema and also developed lung cancer. The diseases have completely different processes and one cannot lead to the other, though they can have a common cause (probably smoking, since smoking is the leading cause of both emphysema and lung cancer). I'm guessing it was smoking because the second leading cause of lung cancer, radon gas exposure, does not cause emphysema.
What does this have to do with the wait time that was reported?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:41 am to dkreller
quote:What do you think satisfaction in the US is right now? I'm talking about the whole healthcare system, including insurance, since NHS covers all of that.
60-70% satisfaction is pretty shitty when you're talking about healthcare.
But I'm sure you're going to provide me with other stats of socialized medicine in other countries to prove that 60-70% is actually "good".
I bet it's a lot lower than 60%.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:42 am to dkreller
HOw about this?
quote:
The three main reasons that people gave for being dissatisfied with the health service were: long waiting times, staff shortages and lack of funding.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:43 am to roadGator
quote:You mean the thing that the paragraph I wrote doesn't respond to (besides the first sentence)? Nothing, obviously
What does this have to do with the wait time that was reported?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:45 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
I'm talking about the whole healthcare system, including insurance, since NHS covers all of that.
Can you find a national survey for the US Healthcare system?
We are too big and too diverse for a national survey. Try Medicaid.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:46 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:48 am to Hog on the Hill
I'm not getting into this BS with you again.
You're trapped in statistics and that's where your intellectual capacity is confined to.
You're trapped in statistics and that's where your intellectual capacity is confined to.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:49 am to PoundFoolish
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The NHS has been declared the best healthcare system by an international panel of experts who rated its care superior to countries which spend far more on health.
The same study also castigated healthcare provision in the US as the worst of the 11 countries it looked at. Despite putting the most money into health, America denies care to many patients in need because they do not have health insurance and is also the poorest at saving the lives of people who fall ill, it found.
The report has been produced by the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based foundation which is respected around the world for its analysis of the performance of different countries' health systems. It examined an array of evidence about performance in 11 countries, including detailed data from patients, doctors and the World Health Organisation.
"The United Kingdom ranks first overall, scoring highest on quality, access and efficiency," the fund's researchers conclude in their 30-page report. Their findings amount to a huge endorsement of the health service, especially as it spends the second-lowest amount on healthcare among the 11 – just £2,008 per head, less than half the £5,017 in the US. Only New Zealand, with £1,876, spent less.
In the Commonwealth Fund study the UK came first out of the 11 countries in eight of the 11 measures of care the authors looked at. It got top place on measures including providing effective care, safe care, co-ordinated care and patient-centred care. The fund also rated the NHS as the best for giving access to care and for efficient use of resources.
LINK
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:49 am to Hog on the Hill
What are the stats of the public and private sectors in the US?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:50 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
, but it sounds like smoking killed your uncle's best friend
No doubt
quote:
Also, emphysema cannot "turn into" lung cancer. He had emphysema and also developed lung cancer.
No shite! You know what I meant.
quote:
he should have been diagnosed sooner because it sounds like he was a high risk individual and should have been screened for lung cancer more thoroughly.
My point exactly. He should have been screened, but his appointments got canceled due to him not reporting any new symptoms. The system is so over loaded and failing, that he couldn't get into a doctor even though he had made his appointment months prior.
The only good that came out of it was that since his appointment got canceled he was able to travel to America to be at my wedding.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:51 am to dkreller
quote:Again? Have we met before?
I'm not getting into this BS with you again.
You're trapped in statistics and that's where your intellectual capacity is confined to.
I think that using data to support one's beliefs is a good idea. I don't understand why you disagree.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:52 am to Hog on the Hill
Yeah Sputnik. We've met in another healthcare thread.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:53 am to Hog on the Hill
Odd that satisfaction went down after ACA?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:54 am to Bench McElroy
quote:
"The United Kingdom ranks first overall, scoring highest on quality, access and efficiency,"
seems in contradiction with
quote:
The three main reasons that people gave for being dissatisfied with the health service were: long waiting times, staff shortages and lack of funding.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:55 am to PoundFoolish
Interesting. The World Health Organization ranks the UK at 18 while the US is at 37. We also spend the most per capita.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:57 am to CoachChappy
quote:I didn't, honestly. I tend to take people literally when I don't know them well enough to guess their meaning.
No shite! You know what I meant.
quote:I'm glad that something good came from it, though I'm sure that's little consolation. I lost an aunt to COPD that she developed from occupational exposure at a factory, which she made worse by smoking. At some point there was nothing more doctors could do for her. It was hard watching someone go like that.
My point exactly. He should have been screened, but his appointments got canceled due to him not reporting any new symptoms. The system is so over loaded and failing, that he couldn't get into a doctor even though he had made his appointment months prior.
The only good that came out of it was that since his appointment got canceled he was able to travel to America to be at my wedding.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:58 am to roadGator
It seems contradictory, but maybe people in the UK have different experiences regarding efficiency and access. Maybe the NHS works better in certain areas than in others--like urban areas are superior to rural. IDK.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:00 am to roadGator
quote:Yeah, 2 points. I'm really not an apologist for the ACA (I promise
Odd that satisfaction went down after ACA?
) but 2 points is not really significant.
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