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re: Why aren't there more pro choice conservatives?

Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:39 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:39 am to
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Funny thing is that the people who are against abortion are usually also against birth control and sexual education.


What? Don't join in about things you don't understand or know. I am conservative an my wife and I practiced birth control regularly. And we provided sex education at home. We didn't need the government to do that for us, since their idea of what is right and good is usually at odds with what we think.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 10:40 am
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18805 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 11:53 am to
Abortion is not free and no tax money goes towards it. Either offer proof or get off this talking point.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18805 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 11:55 am to
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You pretty much shot your argument to Hell with this one sentence.


How. My sperm would be human beings if I used them to fertilize an egg. Do we punish people for killing sperm?
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15421 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 11:56 am to
If she can live with killing her unborn child, so can I.

Just be honest what the choice is, something I haven't seen a single liberal be able to do.

The mental gymnastics they are willing to do to ignore science and avoid being honest about it is incredible.
Posted by americanrealism
Smoking an 8th in the multiverse
Member since Nov 2012
1515 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:16 pm to
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if you stab a pregnant woman to death, you're charged with two murders... why is that?


Because conservatives created this law. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act was introduced by Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and signed into law by George W. Bush.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73493 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:22 pm to
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If she can live with killing her unborn child, so can I.


This is retarded.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:23 pm to
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Why aren't there more pro choice conservatives?


Because we don't believe in killing babies?

That was pretty simple to answer.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:26 pm to
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no tax money goes towards it
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24995 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:29 pm to
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IMO, being pro life and against welfare are antithetical

Not really. It's about being accountable for your actions. Don't have money for a kid? Don't have one. Why should the taxpayers pay for the consequences of someone's actions?

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I believe women should be able to have an abortion up to a certain point, and I don't wanna pay for anybody else's kids. The two go hand in hand.

No they don't; you're setting up the false dilemma that if you're against abortion then you must be for welfare. How about personal accountability? Since when do we get to cut that out of the equation?

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If it were up to me, abortion and birth control would be free. I'd rather pay for that than pay for somebody's knuckleheads who will probably grow up to do the same shite.

I agree with you on the free birth control but not abortions. Preventing pregnancy is not the same as ending one, although democrats would have you believe both are totally acceptable methods of birth control.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41675 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:36 pm to
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No they don't; you're setting up the false dilemma that if you're against abortion then you must be for welfare. How about personal accountability? Since when do we get to cut that out of the equation?
Not to mention that there are people (such as myself) who think "welfare" is a good thing, but don't think it is the responsibility of the government to provide it. It should come from yourself, first, then your family/friends, then your church or place of worship, then from charities and other non-profits who want to help. When the government offers you an almost unlimited supply of what you need to live, why would you work harder to do it yourself?
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6936 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:42 pm to
There are.

Most of the people who get abortions are Christian and usually usually identify as conservative.

They just think their case is different and everyone else is a baby killer.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71662 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:45 pm to
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Aren't any laws a form of intrusion?


Yes.

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If you are against government intrusion, shouldn't you be against welfare?


Maybe I wasn't clear. I am against welfare.

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I would think you would be against all taxes, or do you love your government intrusions?


Again, for clarity, I am against taxation.

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I was not speaking to the legality of abortion. I was speaking to your statement of government intrusion.


There is no meaningful difference for my point.

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Are you saying (as insinuated by your post) that you are ok with the amount of government intrusion we now have as long as we don't have more, or are you saying you are against all government intrusion?


I'm against any government intrusion. That will never happen, but there's not reason to go the other way, either.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:45 pm to
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aborting a fetus is not murder.
Of course it is. It's just legal murder.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71662 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:47 pm to
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Of course it is. It's just legal murder.


This is why no one takes your position seriously.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71662 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:49 pm to
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As abortion should be.


That's your opinion.

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Isn't that the point he is making?


That's the point he's attempting, and failing to make.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18805 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:56 pm to
No Link?

That's what I thought. Either put up or stfu
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18805 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 12:59 pm to
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How about personal accountability? Since when do we get to cut that out of the equation?


Since we hand out money for having kids
Posted by DumbCollegeKid
Steens,Ms
Member since Apr 2013
1620 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:00 pm to
Where are you getting the political party breakdown of women who have abortions?
Posted by Tigerinthewoods
In the woods
Member since Oct 2009
1243 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:06 pm to
A person (you) who's moral compass is their own intelligence/conscience can justify anything. The only thing they struggle with is the fact that in this case everyone should be able to define their own morality and freely live by it.

Imagine that!
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41675 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:09 pm to
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Conservatives who don't support believe it is [murder]. Next.

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That's because they're ignorant. Next
Not necessarily. It depends on what law they are referring to. As a Christian, I believe abortion to be murder according to God's law even though it is not technically considered murder according to the law of the U.S.
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