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re: Why are you where you are on immigration
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:19 pm to Remote Controlled
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:19 pm to Remote Controlled
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If illegal immigration is all about costs, jobs, and those folks paying their fair share of taxes, then why is amnesty off the table? Wouldn't it be much cheaper and productive to offer those that are here and working a chance to get their status in order and start paying taxes?
The math doesn't work. They're unskilled laborers generally. They wouldn't pay enough taxes to offset their cost.
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:19 pm to kingbob
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t this does mean some will fall through the cracks, some will be hungry, homeless, and/or die in want of medical care.
One of the biggest mistakes of our society is we don't allow for survival of the fittest and constantly support those who are not capable of supporting themselves. It allows procreation of genetically deficient people and over time degrades society. Some people should be left to die
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:22 pm to the808bass
I don't get their tax argument at all.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:23 pm to HempHead
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Immigrants, and especially illegal ones, use a disproportionate amount of government benefits, tend to commit more crime, and act as a depressing factor against wages.
link?
here, let me help you out...
what about that crime?
oh, that crime?
yeah, about that....
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Because I live and work surrounded by immigrants
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Legal immigration is good.
Illegal immigration is bad.
Are you really that dumb?
Illegal immigration is bad.
Are you really that dumb?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
It isn't about race at all, not for me and most conservatives that I know. It is about the fact that laws are being ignored and not enforced, that there is a national security and economic security risk. I think it is responsible to stop people from immigrating illegally, as legal immigration is a way to come as close as we can to ensuring that no one who comes poses a threat.
I don't have a problem with Hispanic people. I think legal immigration has many benefits. I think we can improve the legal immigration system, but in order to get people to use the system, we have to stop people from taking advantage of us and ignoring the system.
I don't have a problem with Hispanic people. I think legal immigration has many benefits. I think we can improve the legal immigration system, but in order to get people to use the system, we have to stop people from taking advantage of us and ignoring the system.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:28 pm to the808bass
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The math doesn't work. They're unskilled laborers generally. They wouldn't pay enough taxes to offset their cost.
What costs? If they are gainfully employed, they are contributing. These gardeners out here make more money than you think. $100 per month with 20-50 customers adds up, especially if it's under the table.
Compared to the estimates of the wall, deportation, etc?
So, we get rid of them, lose their tax base (even if it's insignificant), and expect folks who are probably shite heads that would never perform manual labor to step into those jobs?
How about an electronic surveillance "wall" first with deportation of the criminal element, and then amnesty for those that can show income, housing, etc?
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:34 pm to the808bass
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They wouldn't pay enough taxes to offset their cost
link?
here, let me help you out with that...
what was that about their taxes?
oh, those taxes... yeah, about that....
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This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:37 pm to chRxis
from your own link.
quote:
But Federation for American Immigration Reform spokesman Ira Mehlman said that even with legal status, many immigrants would continue to work in low-wage jobs, meaning their tax revenue wouldn't make much of a difference to the economy. Also, legalization would flood the labor market and drive down wages rather than increase them, he said.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Delete
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:40 pm to Remote Controlled
quote:Because amnesty is itself a copout. It is a de facto creation of citizenship in individuals who have given up nothing to be a citizen. At the same time, I would support a path to citizenship.
If illegal immigration is all about costs, jobs, and those folks paying their fair share of taxes, then why is amnesty off the table? Wouldn't it be much cheaper and productive to offer those that are here and working a chance to get their status in order and start paying taxes?
Prior to this path, I want full control of the borders. On top of that, every individual must personally go and admit they entered or stayed within the country illegally. This will occur within a certain time frame. If they miss the time frame, they are not permitted entry.
They also must prove that they have been in the country for a minimum of 3-5 years.
On top of that, if they have broken any laws, they are denied entry on to the pathway.
The pathway will consist of thorough history courses on American history and courses in English. English must also be proclaimed the official language of this nation. There will be work requirements as well.
Also, non-citizens are not permitted any form of welfare. On top of that, birth right citizenship is revoked. At least one parent must be an American citizen.
For those who are attempting to gain citizenship after staying here for a number of years illegally, they must officially renounce any and all ties to their country of birth.
That's a start for me.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I agree with many other restrictionist viewpoints given here, but the most obvious one for me is this: we have enough people already.
The United States of America is already the third most populous nation in the history of mankind. I can't think of any important societal consideration that would be improved by adding millions more residents, legal or otherwise.
It's past time for a moratorium on ALL immigration to the US. I wish we had done so when it was first brought up by Barbara Jordan in the mid-1990s.
The United States of America is already the third most populous nation in the history of mankind. I can't think of any important societal consideration that would be improved by adding millions more residents, legal or otherwise.
It's past time for a moratorium on ALL immigration to the US. I wish we had done so when it was first brought up by Barbara Jordan in the mid-1990s.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:43 pm to chRxis
Focus bias. Selective analysis of selected data points.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:44 pm to chRxis
You're not even sure what you're linking, jackass
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Personally, I don't really agree with that characterization. Although certainly a portion absolutely are racist, I think the left underplays other factors. What I'm asking for you is why, in your own words, your position on immigration is where it is. I'm not here to judge you, and there's no "gotcha" coming. I'm just curious and it occurred to me i don't think I've ever flat out asked.
Each nation has its own history and culture. We have one here in America. It's a Judeo-Christian one.
We formed a nation and have laws and a constitution to govern that nation.
We allowed immigrants to come to America because the land was vast and in many areas, untammmed. But the immigration was controlled, and those coming in came here with the understanding that they would embrace America's values and culture.
We don't have that anymore. We basically have open borders, bad vetting and no expectations for those coming here to assimilate.
We've already seen a major erosion of what made America great to begin with, and will soon be a country without an identity if we continue our current immigration policy or lack there of.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I firmly believe that we should limit immigration into the country, and if a wall is the way to do that logistically, go for it. Legal immigration should be made up of those that are only going to better our society financially.
HOWEVER, removing the illegals that are already here will cause many negative impacts on the housing market and other areas where unskilled labor is necessary. ie. farming, other construction, etc. Americans THINK they want that, but will cry like a spoiled brat when it actually happens.
We should remove the violent felons and those who steal ones belonging, and force the rest of them to pay substantial penalties and taxes if they want to stay. Many will do just that.
This would keep the economy pretty much intact, while generating additional revenue for the feds.
Why am i like that you ask? well, i like common sense and i think some of these folks are providing more benefits than they are taking out....it's up to us to figure out which is which.
HOWEVER, removing the illegals that are already here will cause many negative impacts on the housing market and other areas where unskilled labor is necessary. ie. farming, other construction, etc. Americans THINK they want that, but will cry like a spoiled brat when it actually happens.
We should remove the violent felons and those who steal ones belonging, and force the rest of them to pay substantial penalties and taxes if they want to stay. Many will do just that.
This would keep the economy pretty much intact, while generating additional revenue for the feds.
Why am i like that you ask? well, i like common sense and i think some of these folks are providing more benefits than they are taking out....it's up to us to figure out which is which.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:53 pm to BBONDS25
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Get rid of entitlements...vet them for safety....come on in.
Or that.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:55 pm to Scruffy
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On top of that, every individual must personally go and admit they entered or stayed within the country illegally. This will occur within a certain time frame. If they miss the time frame, they are not permitted entry.
This is essentially what amnesty would look like.
For the record, I agree with most everyone here regarding illegal immigration, except this massive wall that will become a boondoggle, and booting "every single one of them" out.
I know illegals out here that have businesses via fake SSNs, live in nice homes, etc. They aren't living off of my dime, but they sure as shite aren't doing it right.
However, booting them out seems pointless if they have created a nice income source. Fine the shite out of them, sure, but sending them back isn't the best course of action.
I'd imagine these folks I'm talking about would get in line pretty quickly if it was offered.
As far as assimilation goes, their kids are about as American as it gets. First gen never really assimilates, second gen does. If you're concerned about votes, push the GOP to appeal to the second gen types.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:56 pm to SportTiger1
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.vet them for safety...
How is that done?
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