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re: Why Are You Against Abortion?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:23 pm to ClydeFrog
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:23 pm to ClydeFrog
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At what point does it become wrong for a parent to have their child killed because they choose not to be a parent at that time? Adoption is of course an option but you seem to think aborting a live child is okay.
yes.
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I also believe in choice but I focus on the choices (in the majority of cases) that a woman made that led her to become pregnant, whether expected or not. Along with choice comes responsibility.
What you mean to say, along with making mistakes is punishment.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:26 pm to asurob1
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What you mean to say, along with making mistakes is Consequences.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:26 pm to novabill
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I do, with the only exception being when the life of the mother in danger, then I see it as self defense and justifiable homicide.
uh okay.
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So, women should have no say about the laws surrounding rape until they have a penis?
Well all you have to do is open the internet and read the news. Years of sexual assaults have gone unreported by our institutions of higher learning. By our military. I would argue that women are continuely put down by men, made to feel inferior..opinions not necessary cook me dinner.
Are we better then we were...sure we are getting there. But we are a far sight from where we should be.
The fact that you are arguing about whether a man has any say over what a woman chooses to do with her body tells me we aren't there yet.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:28 pm to novabill
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What if the child is a female? Aren't you taking away her right to choose?
stupid. The child is still a fetus...boy or girl.
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Clearly something has you blinded in this issue. You admit it is a life, yet have no issue with taking a life simply because one gender wants to take the life. It is like women, or a woman is a god to you.
No not really. I'm as clear on this topic as any I have ever thought about.
As long as a fetus depends fully on the mother for life...then what she chooses, abort, keep, adoption what ever...should and hopefully always will be her choice and her choice alone.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:28 pm to asurob1
Nevermind. I'm going back to never discussing abortion.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:29 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Nevermind. I'm going back to never discussing abortion.
probably for the best.
No one is ever going to sway anyone from their opinion on the topic.
It's simply a debate exercise.
And since abortion isn't going away...ever.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:26 pm to Wes B
I'm pretty level headed and can see both sides of 99% of either sides on all legal and political issues... Except abortion.
Most heinous thing in our country's history. And I'm including racism, slavery, and native Americans in that. And I think those are terrible atrocities.
Most heinous thing in our country's history. And I'm including racism, slavery, and native Americans in that. And I think those are terrible atrocities.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:07 pm to GumboPot
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Second, I've personally witness several outcomes (and within family) of abortion and having the baby. Having the baby wins hands down. The outcomes from having the baby are not only healthy for the baby but for the mother too and the extended family and friends.
Sure thing. But what about the whore who has 15 kids who all then either proceed to be strippers, murderers, and/or rapists? If we ban abortion, I guarantee it that crime rates rise. Some kids should not be born for the better of our species. I'd rather have my tax dollars to pay for a $300 abortion than a million to incarcerate and feed this person who shouldn't be here in the first place.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:14 pm to OMLandshark
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Sure thing. But what about the whore who has 15 kids who all then either proceed to be strippers, murderers, and/or rapists? If we ban abortion, I guarantee it that crime rates rise. Some kids should not be born for the better of our species. I'd rather have my tax dollars to pay for a $300 abortion than a million to incarcerate and feed this person who shouldn't be here in the first place.
Maybe we can take all the problem children out of the elementary schools and shoot them so they don't grow up to be undesirables.
While we're at it, let's forcibly euthanize senior citizens too so we don't have to spend money on Medicare. Nobody should be allowed to live unless they provide economic value to the 'collective'. May Day is the perfect time to launch such a policy.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:14 pm to anc
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"I can't afford a baby right now,"
Actually, that's a fantastic reason to have an abortion. Don't get me wrong, I think abortion is a terrible thing and that these women should have used protection from the start to not have this kid. If possible, I'd love for them to give it up for adoption, but to raise the kid themselves when they can't afford it, I might have to side with the $300 abortion over the clusterfrick that will surely follow.
If they can't afford the kids, then they'll grow up on the governemt dollar and bitter and also in all probability in a home where dad isn't around. Now let's go to when these kids are 16, they knock up a few chicks, they rob a few places, someone fricks with them, and then they're in jail off and on for the rest of their lives. That's pretty much the norm with kids who in all honesty shouldn't have been born... Well that or strippers/prostitutes when they're women. It's just a disaster for the future of the nation, to where I see abortion as the lesser of two evils.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:16 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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While we're at it, let's forcibly euthanize senior citizens too so we don't have to spend money on Medicare. Nobody should be allowed to live unless they provide economic value to the 'collective'. May Day is the perfect time to launch such a policy.
Talk about jumping to ridiculous conclusions. The seniors have paid their dues for society. They are owed something by the government at that point. An 18 year old punk gangbanger isn't.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:18 pm to OMLandshark
Also, to my pro-life defense, yes I think the father should have to give written consent if the mother wants an abortion. He may not want to marry her, but he may have the means she doesn't to raise the kid.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:24 pm to OMLandshark
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Talk about jumping to ridiculous conclusions.
The only thing that's ridiculous is suggesting that a human being's value is based solely on his or her economic value. And you specifically mentioned costing $1M as a reason to kill someone. So why not be consistent if you're going with the utilitarian rationale? On the Minority Report end, why not kill a second or third grader with a high likelihood of growing up to be an undesirable? A 25 cent bullet is even cheaper than a $300 abortion. And even if a senior citizen paid dues in the past, at some point they might cost more than they produced. Shouldn't you save the money at some point, like if their net cost goes over that magic $1 million mark? It's the same amount out of the public coffers.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:45 pm to Bestbank Tiger
You do like jumping to ridiculous conclusions. The kid is born at 3rd grade, so its a bit late for that. But we should prevent these kids from being born in the first place. Sure I wish these people would take the pill and use condoms and at least wait to have kids until they're in their mid-20s, but that's not going to happen. We have to get rid of these degenerates somehow, and we stop it at the womb.
If I ever get in charge and a girl who lives off of government cheese has a kid, I won't force an abortion on her but instead have her tubes tied the second she has the kid, and also give the father a complementary vasectomy as well. And any father that somehow manages to have more than 4 kids with 4 different women instead gets a complementary bullet between their eyes. Watch basically all the problems in our society magically disappear in about 30 years with that policy. The incarceration rates would sharply drop off when we get rid of these unwanted kids and make sure that kids are raised in loving and ready families.
If I ever get in charge and a girl who lives off of government cheese has a kid, I won't force an abortion on her but instead have her tubes tied the second she has the kid, and also give the father a complementary vasectomy as well. And any father that somehow manages to have more than 4 kids with 4 different women instead gets a complementary bullet between their eyes. Watch basically all the problems in our society magically disappear in about 30 years with that policy. The incarceration rates would sharply drop off when we get rid of these unwanted kids and make sure that kids are raised in loving and ready families.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:47 pm to OMLandshark
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The kid is born at 3rd grade, so its a bit late for that.
You made the utilitarian argument. Society gets the same benefit then as it would with an abortion.
Which just shows the utilitarian argument is bull and a lame rationalization.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:48 pm to Bestbank Tiger
I am a bit of a utilitarian to be honest, so your argument doesn't affect me. It would affect a person who has achieved consciousness though, which is more fricked up if you ask me.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:06 pm to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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The state owns the convicted felons that are put to death?
No, I believe you are missing a distinction between an innocent not yet born baby and a felon convicted of a capital crime. They are not equivalent as I see it.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:12 pm to Wes B
Why? Because a child should have a chance to decide what their life should be worth.
Not someone else who thinks they can decide if they get to live at all.
Not someone else who thinks they can decide if they get to live at all.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:22 pm to catholictigerfan
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