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re: Why Are You Against Abortion?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:53 pm to RaginCajunz
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:53 pm to RaginCajunz
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No reason for the double standard. Equal standing across the board.
Well again, I fully believe that will happen.
The day after the first man in the world gives birth.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:12 pm to asurob1
So, let's dally in hypothetics for a moment.
Woman and Man agree to live together, Woman takes birth control, neither wants children for three years, they agree. Woman takes antibiotics to get rid of a rather nasty illness. Antibiotics override Woman's birth control. Woman is pregnant. Man knows Woman has been taking her birth control. Man asks Woman went she wants to set up an abortion. Woman says it must be God's will that she is pregnant since she was taking her birth control, so Woman is having the baby. Man argues with prior agrrement. Woman says doesn't matter, Woman is having the baby.
Is Man on the hook for child support after he walks out on Woman?
Woman and Man agree to live together, Woman takes birth control, neither wants children for three years, they agree. Woman takes antibiotics to get rid of a rather nasty illness. Antibiotics override Woman's birth control. Woman is pregnant. Man knows Woman has been taking her birth control. Man asks Woman went she wants to set up an abortion. Woman says it must be God's will that she is pregnant since she was taking her birth control, so Woman is having the baby. Man argues with prior agrrement. Woman says doesn't matter, Woman is having the baby.
Is Man on the hook for child support after he walks out on Woman?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:21 pm to asurob1
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As I previously answered yes, if that's her choice then there isn't much I can do to stop her.
So, engaging in an action that will cause pain, suffering, and perhaps death to the newborn child is fine in your opinion?
That's crazy.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:36 pm to Azranod
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Is Man on the hook for child support after he walks out on Woman?
yup
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:37 pm to moneyg
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So, engaging in an action that will cause pain, suffering, and perhaps death to the newborn child is fine in your opinion?
That's crazy.
didn't say fine.
didn't say fine.
Said was her choice.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:42 pm to Azranod
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So, let's dally in hypothetics for a moment.
Woman and Man agree to live together, Woman takes birth control, neither wants children for three years, they agree. Woman takes antibiotics to get rid of a rather nasty illness. Antibiotics override Woman's birth control. Woman is pregnant. Man knows Woman has been taking her birth control. Man asks Woman went she wants to set up an abortion. Woman says it must be God's will that she is pregnant since she was taking her birth control, so Woman is having the baby. Man argues with prior agrrement. Woman says doesn't matter, Woman is having the baby.
Is Man on the hook for child support after he walks out on Woman?
I assume the law says yes, and ethically the answer is yes. Engaging in intercourse always runs the risk of creating a pregnancy. Efforts and agreements to minimize it don't negate the always present risk both parties assume.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:02 pm to asurob1
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didn't say fine.
didn't say fine.
Said was her choice.
You said it should be legal.
I think that is crazy.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:33 pm to asurob1
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With both know I'm not talking about this.
Consenting adults should be able to do what the hell ever they want with their bodies.
I know you are not talking about that. But, am I wrong to assume that you are at least honest in your views, if something is true in one instance it should be true in another?
The problem with your consenting adults explanation is that the child is neither consenting nor an adult. The woman is choosing to kill a non consenting child. In the case of the teachers they are sleeping with non consenting children.
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How's that war on drugs working out for you?
It's ridiculous how many people are rotting in prison for doing drugs.
How did this enter into the conversation? Working out for me????
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:35 pm to asurob1
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Rob you stated in a previous post that you do see the child in the womb as a person. However, you give priority to the woman's choice over the child's life. The woman's right to happiness over the child's right to live.
yup
What if the child is a female? Aren't you taking away her right to choose?
Clearly something has you blinded in this issue. You admit it is a life, yet have no issue with taking a life simply because one gender wants to take the life. It is like women, or a woman is a god to you.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:40 pm to asurob1
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See this is a huge issue. If a fetus is an innocent life then and you desire to protect said innocent life...then you should be arguing that all abortion should be illegal...without exception.
I do, with the only exception being when the life of the mother in danger, then I see it as self defense and justifiable homicide.
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but to say men should have no say, and then argue so strongly makes no sense at all.
The day after a man gives birth..then I will change my belief.
So, women should have no say about the laws surrounding rape until they have a penis?
Renters should not be allowed to vote on property tax issues.
Those that do not smoke have no say in smoking rules/laws
As you can see, your logic can lead to some fairly ridiculous conclusions.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:41 pm to asurob1
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But this isn't about me. It's about choices. I will always defend a woman's choice and her ability to make one. Because at the end of the day it's her life we are talking about. Not mine and not yours and neither of us have any right to meddle in the direction she chooses to go.
At what point does it become wrong for a parent to have their child killed because they choose not to be a parent at that time? Adoption is of course an option but you seem to think aborting a live child is okay.
I also believe in choice but I focus on the choices (in the majority of cases) that a woman made that led her to become pregnant, whether expected or not. Along with choice comes responsibility.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:42 pm to asurob1
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ou know new guy. We need new blood here at politard talk. And I welcome you, but try to slow down a bit and actually think about what you are typing before you hit the submit button...or you are headed for a life of buffoonery here on the political forums.
you may want to listen, if there is one thing rob knows about it is buffoonery
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:43 pm to asurob1
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I'm grateful that your mom had the choice.
That really is what all this debate is about.
choice.
To be clear, It was my mothers mom, not my mom.
I wholeheartedly disagree with abortion and can't understand why more women don't make the choice to put their children up for adoption.
I agree it is about choice- The choice SHOULD BE between adoption and keeping the baby, NOT between birth and killing a baby IMO.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:43 pm to asurob1
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Sadly, she is probably the only one in this entire thread who actually put her money where her mouth is. Everyone else is happy to force more women to give birth and then promptly abandon them the instant that fetus is out of the womb.
I'm probably way too late in this thread but I'm not the only regular poster here who adopted. There's actually a few. In my subdivision alone, there are 8 adoptive families I know of and 2 fosters. I didn't realize how few people in LA adopted until I left the state.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:45 pm to Wes B
15 pages. Good work.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:50 pm to ninthward
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Parental moral high ground alert, and the fact is most do not adopt.
I never claimed a moral high ground. You were using adoption as a "gotcha" attack on those against abortion. I simply told you that I did adopt and so my opinion was put forth with no real or imagined hypocrisy. In fact, I refrained from the pointless abortion discussion until I saw your post. Don't get pissy bc your gotcha didn't work.
I don't feel that I am any morally better than anyone else. I am incredibly lucky & blessed that God led me to the family that was born to be mine. I am humbled and grateful, not pious or smug.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:09 pm to asurob1
This line of thinking is completely opposing to your view that we can't invade into the right of others to choose. The man did not choose this outcome.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:19 pm to novabill
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Clearly something has you blinded in this issue. You admit it is a life, yet have no issue with taking a life simply because one gender wants to take the life. It is like women, or a woman is a god to you.
He's definitely gender biased towards women, might be compensating for something.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:22 pm to Azranod
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This line of thinking is completely opposing to your view that we can't invade into the right of others to choose. The man did not choose this outcome.
The moment he stuck his cock in the girl he certainly chose his outcome.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:22 pm to Azranod
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He's definitely gender biased towards women, might be compensating for something.
yeah that's it.
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