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re: Was Malaysia Arlines flight MH370 a terrorist attack?
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:45 pm to Jbird
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:45 pm to Jbird
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ANC is the key when things go to shite
First and foremost Aviate
Second Navigate
Third Communitcate
That must have changed. When I was in it was:
-Maintain aircraft control.
-Analyze the situation and take proper action.
-Land as soon as practical.
Probably too many words for you youngun's to memorize.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:47 pm to son of arlo
The acronym is EVERYTHING in this day and age.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:51 pm to catholictigerfan
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most of my knowledge about the air france flight came from a air crash series on youtube.
That situation has bitten many pilots. When the pitot tube on the front and the static port on the side get obstructed, the air gets trapped inside and makes the airspeed indicator act like an altimeter. The higher you go, the more speed the AS indicator shows. There was an empty Evergreen 747 with a crew of three that stalled it and spun it in with the same situation. A spinning 747 would have been an eye watering sight.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:57 pm to Jbird
quote:
HF tuned in too, get that stereo sound rolling.
"You're gonna miss my loving,
You're gonna miss my loving,
Gonna miss my love...."
Yes my dear, I used to fly jets in the AF. Would you like to see my heat seeking muscle?"
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:57 pm to son of arlo
quote:FIFY
A spinning anything would have been an eye watering sight.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:07 pm to Jbird
This test pilot became my wing commander at George AFB in 1985.
If the drag chute had stayed attached, Old Gary might have pulled it out.
I was flying a phantom with a new squadron commander who had just come from an eagle squadron. Long story short... ZERO knots, 90 degrees nose up at 28k'. Compressor stalls and flameouts in both engines. He recovered around 10k' and we got one engine started about 3k' agl. Fun times! Guy had two mig kills in VN.
Oh, I left out a good part. After we did our little tail slide, the jet departed end over end. Damnest thing I ever saw.
If the drag chute had stayed attached, Old Gary might have pulled it out.
I was flying a phantom with a new squadron commander who had just come from an eagle squadron. Long story short... ZERO knots, 90 degrees nose up at 28k'. Compressor stalls and flameouts in both engines. He recovered around 10k' and we got one engine started about 3k' agl. Fun times! Guy had two mig kills in VN.
Oh, I left out a good part. After we did our little tail slide, the jet departed end over end. Damnest thing I ever saw.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:28 pm to Jbird
The Sq Commander was a great guy. He reminded me of Foghorn Leghorn. He'd make you laugh your arse off.
I don't know if you ever flew in Europe, but they'd use urea as a runway deicer. During a take off roll when you pointed your burner cans to the runway, it would make a 30' high tube of fog/smoke. The Lt Col and I were doing a 20 second trail departure. Lead heads down the runway. At 20 seconds we release brakes and hit the urea cloud so we can't see shite. When lead takes off, the WSO made a courteous "Lead's airborne" radio. My LTC interprets that as "Lead's aborting!" We're still in the urea out of burner and on the brakes HARD expecting to run over lead on the runway. When lead clarifies he's airborne, my LTC says "Cool" THEN PLUGS IT BACK INTO BURNER. HOLY shite, HE'S STILL GONNA TAKE OFF!!!
We used several hundred feet of the overrun before we got airborne. WAAAHOOOO! He was just one of those guys who was always lucky.
I don't know if you ever flew in Europe, but they'd use urea as a runway deicer. During a take off roll when you pointed your burner cans to the runway, it would make a 30' high tube of fog/smoke. The Lt Col and I were doing a 20 second trail departure. Lead heads down the runway. At 20 seconds we release brakes and hit the urea cloud so we can't see shite. When lead takes off, the WSO made a courteous "Lead's airborne" radio. My LTC interprets that as "Lead's aborting!" We're still in the urea out of burner and on the brakes HARD expecting to run over lead on the runway. When lead clarifies he's airborne, my LTC says "Cool" THEN PLUGS IT BACK INTO BURNER. HOLY shite, HE'S STILL GONNA TAKE OFF!!!
We used several hundred feet of the overrun before we got airborne. WAAAHOOOO! He was just one of those guys who was always lucky.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:29 pm to son of arlo
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That situation has bitten many pilots. When the pitot tube on the front and the static port on the side get obstructed, the air gets trapped inside and makes the airspeed indicator act like an altimeter. The higher you go, the more speed the AS indicator shows. There was an empty Evergreen 747 with a crew of three that stalled it and spun it in with the same situation. A spinning 747 would have been an eye watering sight.
West Caribbean flight crashed in Venezuela (MD-82) when the crew in an overloaded plane stalled, reacted wrongly and crashed. Crew thought the engines flamed out, but the plane couldn't operate at that load, at the altitude they would normally fly.
That would be an awful way to go, plummeting from cruising altitude.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That would be an awful way to go, plummeting from cruising altitude.
Lots of time to get worked up about the situation.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:39 pm to son of arlo
quote:The best bosses are the funniest guys in a squadron.
He reminded me of Foghorn Leghorn. He'd make you laugh your arse off.
Back in my Avionics days we were TDY at DM in Arizona, one day we are doing radar threat warning checks at EOR, over the radio we hear F-14 has declared an IFE so we move our equipment off a little further. In comes the Tomcat and right off the runway he goes about 40 feet into the scrub, canopy comes up and both guys jump out and scoot away from the jet. We are watching this thing go down, thinking cool they are in one piece. I see the backseater jumping up and down, he proceeds to throw his brain bucket at the pilot and grab him by his harness and start thumping him in the melon. The fire truck is setting there just watching this guy get the shite knocked out of him. Good times indeed.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:43 pm to son of arlo
quote:Speaking of that, suspected cargo breakaway.
Lots of time to get worked up about the situation.
LINK
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:51 pm to Jbird
quote:
he proceeds to throw his brain bucket at the pilot and grab him by his harness and start thumping him in the melon.
Sounds like crew coordination. See, that's the difference between the USAF and the Navy. Had they been USAF, they know the priority at that moment is to get the story straight.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:52 pm to son of arlo
quote:Fact.
Had they been USAF, they know the priority at that moment is to get the story straight.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:57 pm to Jbird
quote:
Speaking of that, suspected cargo breakaway.
Wow wow wow. They knew they were goners. I'm sure they felt like they had ice water running in their veins when it departed.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:03 pm to son of arlo
quote:Yeah painful video.
Wow wow wow. They knew they were goners.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:09 pm to Jbird
Painful to watch, but not painful to them. When I get called for my great reward, I hope it's something like this.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:10 pm to son of arlo
quote:Not me they had too much time to think about it.
Painful to watch, but not painful to them. When I get called for my great reward, I hope it's something like this.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:22 pm to Jbird
I don't know about going that way, I guess if it had to be an unnatural death that is one way I would want to go.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:30 pm to catholictigerfan
have you guys seen that crash investigation show on natGO, they have lots of them on youtube.
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