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re: War! What is it good for?! Absolutely.....everything?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Good post Roger. Food for thought. 
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I also must point out that the destruction of most other large economies' manufacturing/industrial infrastructures in WWII allowed the mid & late century affluence of our working-middle class, which has been slipping away with globalization.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:18 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Chasing around after material possessions in an endless game of competitive consumerism?
What's superior to this?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:21 pm to 90proofprofessional
Yes, the postwar years in the US were an aberration because of those things you mentioned in your post. That kind of endless growth, rampant consumerism economic model is unsustainable. People don't seem to get that. That party is over and consumerist capitalism is going to have to evolve into something more workable for the whole. Massive economic disparity is only going to lead to more and more pernicious social unrest.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:21 pm to genuineLSUtiger
I'll agree that most of humanity spends their life in silent futility, full of negativity, but a few do realize the beauty of the natural world. I know a few amazing people scattered among the normal population.
Most run the rat race and play the power game because they think it's what they are supposed to do. The world can be a very negative place if you allow it. No matter how "enlightened" I think I am at times, I fall into the same negative behavior at times.
Most run the rat race and play the power game because they think it's what they are supposed to do. The world can be a very negative place if you allow it. No matter how "enlightened" I think I am at times, I fall into the same negative behavior at times.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:23 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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That party is over and consumerist capitalism is going to have to evolve into something more workable for the whole. Massive economic disparity is only going to lead to more and more pernicious social unrest.
Social unrest leads to revolution and war, which in turn restores order and balance.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:24 pm to genuineLSUtiger
But all they got in Europe was mild socialism.
ETA: and not even that in Japan.
ETA: and not even that in Japan.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:25 pm to 90proofprofessional
I guess my answer would be we will have to find something workable because that is only producing results for a few at the top. I guess you feel nothing is more important than making more and more money to buy more and more mass produced worthless shite to bolster your ego? Do you really believe that is the point to life?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:26 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:Love.
Chasing around after material possessions in an endless game of competitive consumerism?
What's superior to this?
But most of us won't experience it because social engineering works.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:27 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And who profits from this?
Social unrest leads to revolution and war, which in turn restores order and balance.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:27 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Do you really believe that is the point to life?
The point? Perhaps not. The goal? Hell yeah.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:28 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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I guess my answer would be we will have to find something workable because that is only producing results for a few at the top.
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:28 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Do you really believe that is the point to life?
Well, you didn't suggest anything that sounded objectively important or better. Competing for status does quite clearly get productive people to work hard and society progresses
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I feel most connected to what feels like authentic life out in nature. Too bad more people can't find peace in that. If capitalism were the road to happiness we wouldn't live in such a dysfunctional society in this country. The whole social, political and economic order is breaking down because they are all based on early to mid 20th century notions.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:30 pm to TX Tiger
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And who profits from this?
In the end? Everyone. Think of all the technology that was produced and made possible by the Second World War. By the Cold War. In the short term the rich and the powerful are the main benefactors of a war. But things begin to filter down to the rest of the population as time passes. The 1950s saw one of the largest industrial and technological booms this country has ever seen. A thriving middle class was created virtually over night. All of it made possible by the Second World War.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:31 pm to RollTide1987
Your opinions are terrifying, not the least of which because you would be more than happy to send someone else's child off to die to prove a theory that is crap.
What did America's debt look like after World War II versus what it looks like after 13 years in Iraq and Afghanistan?
What did America's debt look like after World War II versus what it looks like after 13 years in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:32 pm to 90proofprofessional
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Competing for status does quite clearly get productive people to work hard and society progresses
I remember getting blasted on here for saying I didn't care for status or feel the need to continually buy more "stuff."
Nothing wrong with trying to better yourself. Unfortunately some aspects of our society can't function unless they shame people into thinking their life is worthless if they can't keep up with the Jones. The economy depends on it.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:35 pm to RollTide1987
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In the end? Everyone. Think of all the technology that was produced and made possible by the Second World War. By the Cold War. In the short term the rich and the powerful are the main benefactors of a war. But things begin to filter down to the rest of the population as time passes. The 1950s saw one of the largest industrial and technological booms this country has ever seen. A thriving middle class was created virtually over night. All of it made possible by the Second World War.
60 million people died in World War II. Hitler, concentration camps, the Marshall Plan and the Cold War all disagree with the grand benefits of a global scale war. A nuclear arms race and a debt that still burdens generations today from every war that directly came out of World War II and the "noble cause of defeating communism".
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:37 pm to CollegeFBRules
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What did America's debt look like after World War II versus what it looks like after 13 years in Iraq and Afghanistan?
I don't know. Do you have those figures handy? The problem with Iraq and Afghanistan is that we went into those two countries trying to win the hearts and minds of the people instead of sending them back to the stone age. To win a war, especially a war against an idea, you have to kill ALL who believe in that idea and make sure they stay dead. Innocents will die, to be sure, but we didn't seem to have a problem with killing innocents when we fire bombed Tokyo and Dresden in 1945.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:37 pm to RollTide1987
Good luck with the "He who dies with the most toys wins" philosophy of life. I have to believe there is a more noble reason for being given the gift of life on this planet. I don't think I have fully found it or gotten there yet but I think the key lies in shedding the ego as much as you can and find a way to serve your fellow man. I hope I can get close to that before I die. I'm certainly not there yet and find that I have to actively resist the mindset conditioned in me from birth by society.
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