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TN Bhoy
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WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions

Because birthing babies is "equivalent" to killing them
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Washington hospital districts that receive tax funding and provide maternity services or information to women must also provide equivalent services or information about contraceptives and abortion, state Attorney General Bob Ferguson said in a legal opinion released Wednesday.

The opinion was requested in April by state Sen. Kevin Ranker, D-Orcas Island. An affiliation between a San Juan Island hospital district and a Catholic health-care system, PeaceHealth, stirred opposition in his district.



And to prove once and for all that the ACLU doesn't give a damn about civil liberties:

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The opinion is “an important step forward,” said Shankar Narayan of the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington State. But, he added, state officials must take a broad look at such mergers and their effects on patients’ access to legal services.

“This is an issue that is urgent, it’s huge, and it requires a statewide solution that looks at Washingtonians’ health care more generally,” Shankar said. “We’re not just talking about reproductive services, but end-of-life care and LGBT services. We’re long overdue for a comprehensive look at that.”



STB
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Our poor country has lost it.


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Fine with me


udtiger
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re: WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions
Catholic hospitals in the US will be gone within the next 10 years.


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Tchefuncte Tiger
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...and LGBT services.


WTF is this? I thought these freaks were supposed to be normal, but apparently they need special "services" at Washington hospitals.


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Quentin Compson
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re: WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions
even private hospitals?


mtntiger
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Once agin proving that health care is not what any of this is about. Sorry, but killing babies is not 'health care.'


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TN Bhoy
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even private hospitals?



If they get any tax funding.

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An affiliation between a San Juan Island hospital district and a Catholic health-care system, PeaceHealth, stirred opposition in his district.
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Pathetic that a person can say murdering a baby for convenience is fine.

Barbaric


Quentin Compson
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Pathetic that a person can say murdering a baby for convenience is fine.
The most horrid and vile aspect of abortion to me is that if you try to block the door to an abortion clinic, you are charged with disrupting commerce. That is literally the current law.


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you are charged with disrupting commerce.


Not sure to what you are objecting.

It is what you are doing, in that case.


I'm not even getting into whether you 'should' or not (morally). But, what is wrong with that charge?


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equivalent services or information about contraceptives and abortion

So are they requiring they have to perform abortions, or be able to discuss/disseminate info regarding abortions. Your quotes are a bit ambiguous.


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re: WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions
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So are they requiring they have to perform abortions, or be able to discuss/disseminate info regarding abortions. Your quotes are a bit ambiguous




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receive tax funding and provide maternity services or information to women must also provide equivalent services or information about contraceptives and abortion,




I think it is "in kind". If you provide services, then match services. If you provide Information, then match information


Quentin Compson
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re: WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions
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I'm not even getting into whether you 'should' or not (morally). But, what is wrong with that charge?
Have you ever read Uncle Tom's Cabin? The current law reminds me of a passage in the novel after a slave owner finds out one of his slaves committed suicide:

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The trader was not shocked nor amazed; because, as we said before, he was used to a great many things that you are not used to. Even the awful presence of Death struck no solemn chill upon him. He had seen Death many times, - met him in the way of trade, and got acquainted with him, - and he only thought of him as a hard customer, that embarrassed his property operations very unfairly; and so he only swore that the gal was a baggage, and that he was devilish unlucky, and that, if things went on in this way, he should not make a cent on the trip. In short, he seemed to consider himself an ill-used man, decidedly; but there was no help for it, as the woman had escaped into a state which never will give up a fugitive, - not even at the demand of the whole glorious Union. The trader, therefore, sat discontentedly down, with his little account-book, and put down the missing body and soul under the head of losses!


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And to prove once and for all that the ACLU doesn't give a damn about civil liberties:


I missed you.


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BlackHelicopterPilot
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Quentin Compson



So, a person blocking a place that provides a LEGAL service from providing that commerce is incorrectly charged with interrupting commerce?



Again, I get the 'feelings' of those that believe it is "murder" <sic> and am not speaking to THAT.


You just made a comment that lampooned the "commerce" charge. I am simply asking what is wrong with that charge? From a LEGAL point of view


Quentin Compson
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BlackHelicopterPilot
I am pointing out the absurdity of the current law. It is proof that the law can be perverted by bad people.


S.E.C. Crazy
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re: WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions
Have you ever seen the liberal dumb azz protesters like the Vietnam war protesters or the Wall streeters get charged with disrupting commerce ?

And you couldn't figure this out ?
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re: WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions
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o are they requiring they have to perform abortions, or be able to discuss/disseminate info regarding abortions. Your quotes are a bit ambiguous.



What's the "equivalent" service of helping someone give birth?


I think some will try to say in some sick, crude way that abortions are the antithesis of birth and would that service would have to be offered.

Also, many religiously affiliated hospitals won't perform tubal ligation after delivery, which is a common time for that procedure to take place. I'm SURE that will be required.


onmymedicalgrind
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re: WA AG: If a hospital has a maternity ward they have to do abortions
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I think it is "in kind". If you provide services, then match services. If you provide Information, then match information


Still seems quite ambiguous to me. Would love to read more about what services need to be matched, what information needs to be matched, etc.


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