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Trump was right after all about the Obama administration wiretaps | TheHill
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:08 am
thehill.com
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The curious thing about President Trump is that his method and language in communications often mask legitimate issues or concerns. This may be such a case with the disclosure that indeed some Trump officials may have been subject to surveillance under the Obama administration.
Trump triggered this particular jump scare with the tweet on March 4 that he “just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” He followed with such tirades as “How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!”
The media pounced and rightfully demanded proof to support such a charge. When it was clear that no evidence would be produced, the media (again rightfully) pummeled the White House for failing to support one of the most alarming claims ever made by a president against a former president.
However, that is when the media seemed to switch roles and fell into a loop of repeating the same accusation over and over again like Jack Torrence endlessly typing "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.” The media seemed so delighted by the quagmire created by Trump’s tweet that it refused to acknowledge reasonable interpretations of the tweet or the possibility that there might have been surveillance.
One of the most telling examples of media mania was the insistence that Trump was referring only to wiretapping and no other form of surveillance. From the earliest days of the scandal, I balked at that narrow reading. As someone who has written and litigated in the surveillance field for over three decades, the narrow reading is absurd.
“Wiretap” has often been used as a generality for surveillance, particularly among those of Trump’s generation. It is the same colloquial meaning as when the Supreme Court commonly used “eavesdropping” to refer to surveillance.It was not limiting decisions like Katz v. United States to circumstances where people hid in the eaves of homes and listened to conversations within.
There is no reason to assume that Trump meant solely the act of an actual wiretap when he put wiretap in quotations as opposed to surveillance. Yet, when this obvious point was made by White House spokesman Sean Spicer, the media lit up over the White House was changing its allegation.
Likewise, referring to President Obama as tapping phones can reasonably be understood as the Obama administration, not specifically President Obama, venturing to Trump Tower in some disguise as a repairman to tap a phone. Yet, the media has continued to express alarm that the “facts are changing” when the White House made that obvious point about these tweets.
Now, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee (who previously said he knew of no evidence to support the allegation) has disclosed that he has seen evidence that Trump presidential transition officials had their communications monitored during the Obama administration (though Nunes later suggested that he might not have actually seen the evidence of the surveillance).
He also said that the inadvertent interceptions were then subject to “unmasking”
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:12 am to cajunangelle
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:14 am to cajunangelle
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“Wiretap” has often been used as a generality for surveillance, particularly among those of Trump’s generation. It is the same colloquial meaning as when the Supreme Court commonly used “eavesdropping” to refer to surveillance.It was not limiting decisions like Katz v. United States to circumstances where people hid in the eaves of homes and listened to conversations within.
Very apt analogy. Anyone who argues that a wiretap is someone sneaking in and putting a bug on your phone is retarded. The media know better, but they want to push their narrative. Unfortunately that narrative has fooled a lot of gullible people.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:16 am to cajunangelle
If the obama administration was sucking up legal method sof surveillance, then unmasking US citizens, then spreading their findings with the media and throughout the government then this is a big fricking deal. If that is what happened some heads are gonna roll.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:17 am to AUstar
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Unfortunately that narrative has fooled a lot of gullible people.
like that kid rocket31? he has eaten up all the democrat underground talking points hook, line, and sinker like a true libtard!
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:20 am to cajunangelle
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Wiretap” has often been used as a generality for surveillance, particularly among those of Trump’s generation
I made this verify point in a thread I started yesterday. In fact, it's in the thread title.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:23 am to drexyl
quote:If only there was a way to avoid all of this survellance... like NOT calling Russia every other day. Hmmmm.
If the obama administration was sucking up legal method sof surveillance, then unmasking US citizens, then spreading their findings with the media and throughout the government then this is a big fricking deal.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:23 am to cajunangelle
Posted yesterday.
1) Still no evidence. This shite article is spin, as any idiot can see.
2) If Trump meant "surveliiance", why didn't he say "surveillance"? Oh yeah, we can't take Trump literally. The most important office in the world, and we can't take him literally.
3) How did that Pizzagate deal work out for you? Feel like a fool yet? Wait til Trump fricks up more of his promises. He a;ready bombed on one of his cornerstone promises.
4) Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
1) Still no evidence. This shite article is spin, as any idiot can see.
2) If Trump meant "surveliiance", why didn't he say "surveillance"? Oh yeah, we can't take Trump literally. The most important office in the world, and we can't take him literally.
3) How did that Pizzagate deal work out for you? Feel like a fool yet? Wait til Trump fricks up more of his promises. He a;ready bombed on one of his cornerstone promises.
4) Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:24 am to BayouBlitz
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This shite article is spin
and not even new spin
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:26 am to mmcgrath
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only there was a way to avoid all of this survellance... like NOT calling Russia every other day. Hmmmm
It's not against the law to call Russia you fricking moron.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:31 am to BayouBlitz
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1) Still no evidence. This shite article is spin, as any idiot can see.
Still no evidence of any Russian collusion anywhere in the entire Trump Administration.
Keep bleating you freakin sheep
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:37 am to BayouBlitz
quote:all of this.
Posted yesterday.
1) Still no evidence. This shite article is spin, as any idiot can see.
2) If Trump meant "surveliiance", why didn't he say "surveillance"? Oh yeah, we can't take Trump literally. The most important office in the world, and we can't take him literally.
3) How did that Pizzagate deal work out for you? Feel like a fool yet? Wait til Trump fricks up more of his promises. He a;ready bombed on one of his cornerstone promises.
4) Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:38 am to Sidicous
I never accused anybody of Russian collusion, you fricktard.
Trump accused Obama of wire-tapping.
See the difference? No, of course not. Trumpkins. SMH.
Trump accused Obama of wire-tapping.
See the difference? No, of course not. Trumpkins. SMH.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:40 am to cajunangelle
Don't get dizzy with all that spin.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:41 am to Navytiger74
you have been posting a lot of those types of gifs lately
on an unrelated note, your average post quality has improved substantially. how odd
on an unrelated note, your average post quality has improved substantially. how odd
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:42 am to cajunangelle
Why even bother saying Trump was right or wrong about anything? The guy watches Fox and reads Breitbart and parrots everything they say immediately on twitter. Do you really believe he got some secret intel about this and just tweeted it out to the world? Because that would be the dumbest fricking thing a president has ever done. He's an absolute failure so far.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:44 am to BayouBlitz
frick you
Anybody who does not see that wiretapping in quotes means surveillance in general is being purposely obtuse.
These asshats were unmasking people and passing around info that should have been purged like schoolgirls passing notes in class.
Anybody who does not see that wiretapping in quotes means surveillance in general is being purposely obtuse.
These asshats were unmasking people and passing around info that should have been purged like schoolgirls passing notes in class.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:45 am to cajunangelle
At least indicate in your title line that this is an opinion piece.
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