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re: Thoughts on Mayor Landrieu's speech before the removal of the monuments?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:20 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:20 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Who knows if Lincoln's presidency would have abolished slavery without the Civil War.
With advances in technology, slavery, without the Civil War, likely would've been abolished by 1870. 1880, tops.
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:23 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Lincoln also said that blacks could never assimilate and even discussed putting them back on ships to Africa.
So yeah, I admire Lincoln too but let's not go out of our way to rewrite history to make him look perfect.
Also, the post you replied to is correct: every action Lincoln took after the war was to smother the s
I said near unassailable ( not perfect) & even Abolitionists Blacks & White were for repatriation once. Not unusual ,but outdated by 1862.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:23 pm to AggieDub14
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your attempts to bad mouth the president who is commonly regarded as the greatest this country has ever had.
I haven't seen anybody in this thread attempt to badmouth George Washington.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:26 pm to sugar71
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will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
is this nearly unassailable?
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:33 pm to roadGator
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Link to New Orleans being the largest slave market in the US or point of entry.
I've always understood it to be Charleston as well.
Can't link right now,
But Google 1 " Slave trade in New Orleans a thriving business" . Nola.com
....slavery was an integral part of life in New Orleans , which became the country's largest slave market.....
Solomon Northup remembers passing through N.O.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:49 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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their revisionist history is wrong
It is wrong at least as it applies to the two remaining in their sights.
It's historical fact that Andrew Jackson defended....or saved the City of New Orleans in 1815 from a superior army of the British
Bienville and Iberville did establish New Orleans....in fact the Native Americans in the area were all too glad to let them come in....they thought they were crazy because it was what they called "floating land"
Hey nobody's perfect and as a person Andrew Jackson was probably a real bastard....a slave owner, but he was not a combatant in the Civil War and he was a staunch unionist. Bienville and Iberville were just two adventurers from Canada.
Slavery was everywhere at that time, that is just a fact for history. Did the LeMoyne's bring in slaves....personally no, did they slave trade? probably not. Iberville was a military man, he had no time for that kind of stuff. The French brought in slaves, the Spanish brought in slaves, the Americans brought in slaves, the British brought in slaves.
I suspect this guy Suber, has some sort of beef about Joan of Arc, Maid of Orleans as well...although I cannot imagine any objection
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:55 pm to L.A.
I agree with him. If I was a black citizen in Louisiana I would move away from the entire state to show my solidarity against oppression. I would move to Maine. A long way from Louisiana.
Did it work?
Did it work?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:56 pm to KiwiHead
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It is wrong at least as it applies to the two remaining in their sights.
It's historical fact that Andrew Jackson defended....or saved the City of New Orleans in 1815 from a superior army of the British
Bienville and Iberville did establish New Orleans....in fact the Native Americans in the area were all too glad to let them come in....they thought they were crazy because it was what they called "floating land"
Hey nobody's perfect and as a person Andrew Jackson was probably a real bastard....a slave owner, but he was not a combatant in the Civil War and he was a staunch unionist.
I agree. Plus he was a President/ Landmark.
But if for some reason there is a public vote......
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:01 pm to L.A.
He is a pandering political whore.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:04 pm to sugar71
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But if for some reason their is a public vote......
It won't pass and you won't be able to use the statue removal as some sort of pay back like you indicated earlier????
What do I win?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:16 pm to roadGator
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It won't pass and you won't be able to use the statue removal as some sort of pay back like you indicated earlier????
What do I win?
Payback? What?
You just won some knowledge about how large a slave trading port ( largest) New Orleans was during the Antebellum period.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:19 pm to sugar71
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Payback?
Your indicated that you were enjoying any angst from those that didn't want the statues coming down.
Wasn't that you? If I'm mistaken, my apologies.
If it was you, then it would be better if you weren't passive aggressive about it and just admit that you see it as some sort of pay back/retribution. That would be at least honest. I'd certainly respect your position from the angry point of view.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I agree. The Alamo celebrates the lost cause of Davy Crockett, Sam Bowie etc.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:40 pm to AggieDub14
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The Emancipation Proclamation also led to the French pulling support for the South because it made it clear that anyone backing the Confederacy was backing slavery. Brilliant move by Lincoln. He didn't want to free slaves in border states yet because he didn't want to risk those States leaving the Union.
“The Union government liberates the enemy’s slaves as it would the enemy’s cattle, simply to weaken them in the conflict. The principle is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States.”
London Spectator in reference to the Emancipation Proclamation
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:52 pm to chickenpotpie
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those that think removing the statues are going to miraculously end all the poverty and crime in a city rife with ghettos and an ineffective mayor.
Total straw man argument. Who thinks removing monuments to The Cult of the Lost Cause will end poverty? We've just removed Reconstruction- and Segregation-era crypto-white-supremacist propaganda from our streets.
It will have negligible impact on crime, but it might help us get a Super Bowl.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 7:04 pm to Quarterite
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but it might help us get a Super Bowl.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 7:31 pm to uptownsage
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Sam Bowie.
frick him!!!
Kept the '81 Tigers from going undefeated in SEC play. In addition to his gallant acts in defense of the Alamo, of course.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 7:39 pm to Quarterite
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It will have negligible impact on crime, .
Negligible?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 7:41 pm to Quarterite
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It will have negligible impact on crime, but it might help us get a Super Bowl.
great logic. not like New Orleans has hosted it ten times or anything with them up.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 8:43 pm to L.A.
Well, if they'd left up the Beauregard monument, they could have been taught that, although someone takes arms for a certain cause, it doesn't mean all of the white/black propaganda bullshite that people like Mitch want to beat everyone over the head with.
"I am persuaded that the natural relation between the white and colored people is that of friendship. I am persuaded that their interests are identical; that their destinies in this state, where the two races are equally divided, are linked together; and that there is no prosperity for Louisiana which must not be the result of their cooperation."
"I am equally convinced that the evils anticipated by some men from the practical enforcement of equal rights are mostly imaginary, and that the relation of the races in the exercise of these rights will speedily adjust themselves to the satisfaction of all."
- P.G.T. Beauregard
A Confederate general's forgotten cause, Beauregard and unification: Our Times
Bottom line: blacks are taught that none of their failures are their fault. It's all whitey and "systemic racism," whatever that really fricking means.
African immigrants seem to do pretty well for themselves. Domestics, not so much. I don't get it. Same race, right?
I guess over there, they don't have systems in place that actually encourage the dumbest fricks to have the most children. Gotta keep those blacks poor and stupid, and voting democrat, I guess.
"I am persuaded that the natural relation between the white and colored people is that of friendship. I am persuaded that their interests are identical; that their destinies in this state, where the two races are equally divided, are linked together; and that there is no prosperity for Louisiana which must not be the result of their cooperation."
"I am equally convinced that the evils anticipated by some men from the practical enforcement of equal rights are mostly imaginary, and that the relation of the races in the exercise of these rights will speedily adjust themselves to the satisfaction of all."
- P.G.T. Beauregard
A Confederate general's forgotten cause, Beauregard and unification: Our Times
Bottom line: blacks are taught that none of their failures are their fault. It's all whitey and "systemic racism," whatever that really fricking means.
African immigrants seem to do pretty well for themselves. Domestics, not so much. I don't get it. Same race, right?
I guess over there, they don't have systems in place that actually encourage the dumbest fricks to have the most children. Gotta keep those blacks poor and stupid, and voting democrat, I guess.
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