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re: This Slate Abortion Article is Full of Interesting
Posted on 10/14/14 at 10:54 am to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 10/14/14 at 10:54 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Thats what IUDs, nexplanon, nuvaring, depo shots are all for. We should be pushing LARC on all sexually active women not desiring pregnancy. Period.
are these things revisable?
Even if I was ok with contraceptives I wouldn't be ok with something that can't be changed back.
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Posted on 10/14/14 at 10:56 am to catholictigerfan
i am not reading this whole thread, I will point out that its almost like a mini book review so be viewed as such, instead of a complete argument for the position.
I agree with both authors, abortion is a net good for society.
I agree with both authors, abortion is a net good for society.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 10:56 am to NC_Tigah
I'm tired of being Mr. Nice OMMG. Sometimes you just gotta keep it real 
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:02 am to catholictigerfan
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are these things revisable?
Yep. LARC stands for long acting REVERSIBLE contraception. You don't have to worry about it, and when you want to have kids you can just get it removed during an office visit. Theres really no reason to be against them, yet some idiots are.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:05 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Yep. LARC stands for long acting REVERSIBLE contraception. You don't have to worry about it, and when you want to have kids you can just get it removed during an office visit. Theres really no reason to be against them, yet some idiots are.
I have reasons beyond not being effective, or not revisable but if you see me as an idiot for believing this than I guess there is no reason to argue it.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:15 am to catholictigerfan
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I have reasons beyond not being effective, or not revisable
Which are.....
What if I throw in an extra benefit of decreased endometrial and ovarian cancer incidence? Thats on the house.
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but if you see me as an idiot for believing this than I guess there is no reason to argue it.
Chances are you don't have a legit enough reason IMO, so yes I find your view idiotic (not calling you an idiot).
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:17 am to onmymedicalgrind
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What if I throw in an extra benefit of decreased endometrial and ovarian cancer incidence? Thats on the house.
contraceptives and cancer is such a heavily debated topic, I'm very careful when believing it impact.
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Chances are you don't have a legit enough reason IMO, so yes I find your view idiotic (not calling you an idiot).
mentioned my reasons earlier, mainly surrounding the nature of the sexual act. Go back and find it feel free to comment. I'm trying not to turn this into a contraceptive thread though, so I may not comment.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:23 am to catholictigerfan
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contraceptives and cancer is such a heavily debated topic, I'm very careful when believing it impact.
No not really. Sure any quack "MD" can write something controversial to make it seem like its a "debate" but its really not. Sorry to break it to you. quote:
I'm trying not to turn this into a contraceptive thread though, so I may not comment.
Neither am I, but when discussing hypocrisy, theres no better example than being against both abortion and birth control.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:28 am to Roger Klarvin
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Maybe your worldview requires that, but mine does not.
This is not a worldview question. This is a question as to whether a fetus is a human being with rights or a piece of tissue.
Does not get more fundamental than that. Cannot believe you cannot address that.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:30 am to onmymedicalgrind
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No not really. Sure any quack "MD" can write something controversial to make it seem like its a "debate" but its really not. Sorry to break it to you.
I don't read up enough on this topic to be able to comment so I leave it at this
but if it causes cancer or not doesn't impact my view of it.
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hypocrisy, theres no better example than being against both abortion and birth control.
if you reduce this debate to simply abortion. I don't care if contraceptives could practically eliminate abortions all together I still have moral issues with contraceptives and reducing abortions doesn't allow me to accept it.
In my mind abortion is one issue contraceptives are another. Yes they relate but each have their differing reasons why I think they are immoral.
My simple point is that I think on both sides people get to tied up into the abortion issue, and don't realize that people have issue with contraceptives. They look at contraceptives and say, oh it reduces abortion you should be for contraceptives not realizing that many people against contraceptives have reasons outside of abortion.
It is also difficult to try to explain my view on contraceptives to someone who has an atheistic world view, or simply a scientific reductionist world view. I'm not saying you have this, but there are even some who believe in God who have a scientific reductionist view of the world.
to put it as simply as I can. The sexual act is one of the great signs of love man and show for a woman and Vise Versa. I believe part of the self gift is giving over part of yourself or receiving part of someone else. When you cut that off, sex just becomes pleasure, it becomes something fun to do. It is no longer about love, family, a giving of one self to the other. It rather is just let's have some fun tonight.
But the discussion of love and how is that fully expressed in the sexual act is something that goes beyond the scope of this thread.
how contraceptives affect abortion that is different, but as I said contraceptives effectiveness on reducing abortion has nothing to do with my view.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:33 am to catholictigerfan
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In my mind abortion is one issue contraceptives are another. Yes they relate but each have their differing reasons why I think they are immoral.
Well I think telling people not to have sex is immoral, so there
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:39 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Well I think telling people not to have sex is immoral, so there
that isn't what I'm doing I'm saying, sex should be used in its proper place, not just with any random person.
Sex is very good, but if it is used in excess than it can become very bad.
I must go have a good afternoon.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:44 am to catholictigerfan
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that isn't what I'm doing I'm saying, sex should be used in its proper place, not just with any random person.
So you have no problem with BC use in married couples?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:45 am to onmymedicalgrind
Clearly contraception and abortion are not the same thing. Just by definition. One is preventative, the other terminates after the fact.
With our educational systems and contraceptive ability, what is the problem with telling people to understand the potential consequences of their actions? Sure, abortion may solve some nasty problems. But it's akin to providing sterile needles to heroin addicts, you're not really addressing the issue, just cleaning it up as much as you can after the fact. IMO, all pro-choice arguments eventually sound Swiftian.
With our educational systems and contraceptive ability, what is the problem with telling people to understand the potential consequences of their actions? Sure, abortion may solve some nasty problems. But it's akin to providing sterile needles to heroin addicts, you're not really addressing the issue, just cleaning it up as much as you can after the fact. IMO, all pro-choice arguments eventually sound Swiftian.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:47 am to catholictigerfan
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When you cut that off, sex just becomes pleasure, it becomes something fun to do. It is no longer about love, family, a giving of one self to the other. It rather is just let's have some fun tonight.
Removing the child consequence from sex via contraception just opens up other consequences like STDs, infidelity, divorce, etc. I read recently that in some of the Asian countries where Anime style porn is a big deal, they have noted a decrease in procreation based on a lack of men pursuing "real" women and vice versa.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 1:08 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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So you have no problem with BC use in married couples?
you missed my point. No
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:35 pm to STEVED00
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Removing the child consequence from sex via contraception just opens up other consequences like STDs, infidelity, divorce, etc.
Not true.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:36 pm to catholictigerfan
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you missed my point. No
I cant tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with my statement.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:36 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Posted by onmymedicalgrind quote: Removing the child consequence from sex via contraception just opens up other consequences like STDs, infidelity, divorce, etc. Not true.
Oh really? Care to enlighten how this is not true.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:39 pm to STEVED00
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Oh really? Care to enlighten how this is not true.
Or why don't you link me to data supporting your "theory" since you brought it up. I'll wait.
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