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re: This is how Libs see Free Speech today
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Pulling a fire alarm when there's no fire is illegal I'm assuming? So yes committing and illegal act in protest is not only against the law but unethical and antithetical to the notions of the "marketplace of ideas" as you put it.
the same applies to hat happened in Berkley and NYC
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:53 am to TigersHuskers
I"m a conservative. That is the definition of free speech. The first frame says it all, and nothing else is relevant.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Obviously we had a huge discussion about this yesterday, for me the line is crossed when you break a law or threaten to break a law in response to whatever it is you don't like.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:55 am to TigersHuskers
Using violence and intimidation is wrong though. Totally agree. However, this board tends to equate all liberals with fringe groups that perpetuate violence. I live in a very liberal city and most people don't do that shite.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
Why do you even have to peacefully protest someone speaking? They're just words. If you don't like it, don't go. I'm not saying people should be arrested if they keep it peaceful, I just don't understand it.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:57 am to cahoots
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However, this board tends to equate all liberals with fringe groups
True, but just as far right wing bigots like Richard Spencer have come out of hiding so to speak in the last 18 months or so, the same is true of militant leftists who neither respect the rule of law nor even understand how antithetical their behavior is to the ideology they profess to support.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
like i said (after your post so i didn't tll you to go read it)
this applies to Reddit but not Berkley or NYC
this applies to Reddit but not Berkley or NYC
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:58 am to td01241
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Why do you even have to peacefully protest someone speaking?
I'm not a protestor so you're not really asking the right person but I think it's just about getting out there and having your voice heard as well to express whatever objections someone has with whoever is speaking. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:00 am to cahoots
quote:crazy, it is almost like calling half the country nazi white supremacists
However, this board tends to equate all liberals with fringe groups that perpetuate violence.
quote:
I live in a very liberal city and most people don't do that shite.
does not really matter where you live, MOST people are going about their daily lives just as before, with basic human decency and respect on a macro level
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:01 am to ThePoo
yeah the population of Berkley is like 112k
there wasn't 60k+ people out there wed night
there wasn't 60k+ people out there wed night
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
I think what has happened with twitter and Reddit is not only distasteful but also pretty dumb. I didn't even know who the hell Milo was until Twitter shut down his account. All that did was give him noteriety he hadn't had before and on top of that he can say he's "banned by Twitter". It makes him look cool to people.
All of that having been said, it's not actually a violation of his free speech because Twitter is a private entity who has a right to decide who and what they want on their platform.
All of that having been said, it's not actually a violation of his free speech because Twitter is a private entity who has a right to decide who and what they want on their platform.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:07 am to TigersHuskers
There is nothing wrong with the image. It's looting, rioting, attacking people, and acting violently because a person you don't agree with is speaking that's the problem. Nothing is justification for criminal behavior.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:09 am to TigersHuskers
I would disagree with the events being cancelled statement. Many have been dropped for fear of public safety because of the threat of violence from leftest groups. That violates the right of assembly and free speech. This is especially true at public universities. This is not a private institution where discrimination based on a distinct corporate values is both acceptable and expected.
Tax payer funds come with strings attached. Accept it or don't accept the money. Also, people are not being "forced" to listen to anything. Simply dont attend the event. That is also your right.
Tax payer funds come with strings attached. Accept it or don't accept the money. Also, people are not being "forced" to listen to anything. Simply dont attend the event. That is also your right.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:09 am to Draconian Sanctions
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on top of that he can say he's "banned by Twitter". It makes him look cool to people.
i actually think this is the biggest worry for the progressives
for so long it's been standard that it's "cool" to be hip/progressive
if they start to lose the culture war with the youth and it's square to be a prog and cool to be "alt-right", they will lose their fricking minds in a way that we've never seen before. ignoring any political issue, this culture war is going to be interesting to watch unfold
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
I think a lot of self-righteousness and naivety amongst youth is at the root of the problem
This desire to fight for some noble cause like civil rights or glorified vietnam protests (even if they have to create the boogeyman themselves, seeing as how they have no actual concept of or relation to these periods in time) so they can say look at me, look what i am willing to do, look how loving and caring and magnanimous I am. Then post it on facebook and twitter for admiration for such a noble fight
This desire to fight for some noble cause like civil rights or glorified vietnam protests (even if they have to create the boogeyman themselves, seeing as how they have no actual concept of or relation to these periods in time) so they can say look at me, look what i am willing to do, look how loving and caring and magnanimous I am. Then post it on facebook and twitter for admiration for such a noble fight
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:17 am to ThePoo
oh yeah i've said for years they want to be 60s radicals so bad they have to invent causes to protests
there is this Platonic ideal of liberalism being those people in that moment that warps a ton of rhetoric on the issues
there is this Platonic ideal of liberalism being those people in that moment that warps a ton of rhetoric on the issues
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
It is why I am never sure if they actually don't truly believe what they claim to but want to and have a desire to have others think they do or, because they have no concept of actual mass civil rights and human rights violations in this country in their lifetime, their naivety allows them to actually believe it
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:24 am to ThePoo
they live in a bubble
plus, progressives, by their very nature, always have to be moving forward
if they get to a point of homeostasis, their purpose completely erodes
they literally HAVE to keep finding new niches to fight for or risk the entire philosophy dissolving
plus, progressives, by their very nature, always have to be moving forward
if they get to a point of homeostasis, their purpose completely erodes
they literally HAVE to keep finding new niches to fight for or risk the entire philosophy dissolving
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
but do they believe in the new causes or simply embrace them because they know they have to in order not to stagnate and become defunct
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:36 am to ThePoo
not to get all alex jones-y, but there are 2 tiers
the elites (academics, policy advisers, politicians) create the new language and niches to fight over
they coordinate these messages with their media and academic friends to proliferate the message
the peons on the ground living in the bubble know no better and truly believe these issues need fighting over
the elites (academics, policy advisers, politicians) create the new language and niches to fight over
they coordinate these messages with their media and academic friends to proliferate the message
the peons on the ground living in the bubble know no better and truly believe these issues need fighting over
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