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This is how Libs see Free Speech today

Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:44 am
Posted by TigersHuskers
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:44 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:45 am to
...is it wrong?

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:46 am to
There's nothing in there that's inaccurate...
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:46 am to
I think that is a bad characterization of the liberal/free speech thing going on.
Posted by Catman88
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:46 am to
I'm certainly not liberal and I can't find what is wrong with that image.
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:46 am to
This is actually correct

The issue is the response to free speech with violence

Eta: proud of PT for this response
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:55 am
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:47 am to
I can't disagree...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:47 am to
quote:

...is it wrong?

the part about the boycott is pretty wrong

they're using force and intimidation to keep him off campus, not competing in the marketplace of ideas

think about it like how they like to pull fire alarms to force speakers to have to stop. it's like that but with either unruly protesters that make the situation so hostile the campus feels it has to cancel (UCLA cancelled before Milo even got to go for this reason) OR they create such a hostile environment that they cause the security/insurance to be so high that speakers/schools can't afford it
Posted by BamaCoaster
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:49 am to
Someone shared that on fbook with the caption, "This is what happens when a nazi, white supremacist shows up in Berkley".
Which, I took point with.
But the message in the cartoon is not wrong.
Posted by GeauxDoc
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:49 am to
This cartoon is right and reasonable. It's just not representative of what is actually happening with many on the left right now. Nobody has the right to break the law in protest.
Posted by Catman88
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:50 am to
It should be mentioned that "fighting words" can get you arrested and is not protected.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:50 am to
That is correct and I have no problem with it. However, that is not what is happening.
Posted by ThePoo
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:50 am to
this is correct

but I like how they imply people like Milo and Shapiro are getting talks cancelled because people don't want to hear them and aren't showing up as protest
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:50 am to
quote:

they're using force and intimidation to keep him off campus, not competing in the marketplace of ideas



oh I agree

not sure if what the context of this comic is, but viewing outside of the Berkeley stuff, it isn't wrong
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:51 am to
here is the thing, and i was going to mention it yesterday but got caught up in my own bullshite

OK you do this to Milo? i get it he's a douche and troll/instigator

you do it to Gavin McGinnes? i'll even give you that one

you do it to Ben Shapiro? #basedmom? Dave Rubin? something is wrong
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:51 am to
quote:


the part about the boycott is pretty wrong



From a legal perspective, which is what "free speech" is, it's not. Whether or not somebody should boycott is a totally different discussion.

quote:

think about it like how they like to pull fire alarms to force speakers to have to stop


Pulling a fire alarm when there's no fire is illegal I'm assuming? So yes committing an illegal act in protest is not only against the law but unethical and antithetical to the notions of the "marketplace of ideas" as you put it.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:53 am
Posted by Catman88
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:51 am to
And he has that right. Endangering his life and the people around him in order to prevent him from free speech is illegal and the people protesting are simply no longer exercising their right to free speech and can be arrested.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:52 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:52 am to
yes if this is a "Reddit" argument and not a "Berkley" argument, they are correct
Posted by Oddibe
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:52 am to
That is how EVERYONE should see FREE SPEECH.
Posted by cahoots
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:52 am to
That's pretty much how the 1st amendment works.
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