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re: This book is gonna cause controversy
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:28 pm to KCT
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:28 pm to KCT
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That's what I would expect from you, onmymedical grind. You're always eager to blame discrimination against black people as being the cause of every problem that the black community has. But let someone mention the FACT that black people have never achieved on the same level as white people in the history of mankind, and your only (predictable) response is to play the race card.
Yeah, there's a reason for this
Half a millennia of Europeans dictating the social and economic climate in Africa had a pretty significant impact of the history of its natives.
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Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:31 pm to boosiebadazz
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I think the environmental and developmental factors affecting the evolution of societies having some effect on the intelligence gap (especially nutrition and how early the division of labor appears) makes more sense than the intelligence gap simply being 100% genetic.
you're separating 2 things that don't need to be separated
and it's probably not 100% genetic, but somewhere north or 85-90% is likely
but the advancement of intelligence is determined through the structure of society. in terms of genetics, valuing intelligence leads intelligent people to breed amongst themselves, while less intelligent people are left to breed amongst themselves. as my friend said in law school, "we keep evolving, but they've been the same for 500 years"
also, there is a growing scientific body of evidence that is confirming that certain parts of our DNA do retain memories. this explains instinct pretty well, but it also explains why a line of culturally-superior people will create genetically superior people over time
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:31 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Nice try, but I'm not the one claiming superiority over anybody. Plus I'm in the inferior group, so I don't even know if I was born with the mental ability to do any of that stuff!
Actually, I believe it could be the opposite. I've read that in any given tribal village in Africa, there is more genetic diversity than in the entire rest of the world. This means blacks would be more likely to produce genetic extremes. Where as the other races would hover closer to average. This is easy to see in an athletic sense. Look how many tall, fast, freakishly athletic blacks there are. Now consider what a small portion of the population they represent. It's phenomenal. I would also assume that we'd find that same tendency towards extremes in intellect too. Perhaps if we investigated this and proved it to be true, it would change how black academics are seen and encourage businesses/academia to scour black communities and countries to find these extreme outliers as we do for sports. This would also expose opportunities for talented but less exceptional people as well.
Am I totally off base here?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm going to run some errands, but I'll bump the thread with a response later.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:44 pm to SmackoverHawg
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and encourage businesses/academia to scour black communities and countries to find these extreme outliers
I'm pretty sure this is already being done/encouraged.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there is a growing scientific body of evidence that is confirming that certain parts of our DNA do retain memories. this explains instinct pretty well,
I first noticed this with cats and dogs. If I got a kitten or a puppy that I knew had never encountered a snake. And I knew their mother could not have trained it to be wary of snakes. However, when the kitten is playing in tall grass in my yard 50 feet away from me and I see that there is a garden hose near the kitten. I can pull on the end of the hose near me and when the hose near the kitten moves in the grass it jumps up in the air in sudden alarm.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:54 pm to Zach
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Just the enjoyment of bothering you.
On many days that is what I get my laughs out of doing, except only for certain posters.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 2:18 pm to SmackoverHawg
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Actually, I believe it could be the opposite. I've read that in any given tribal village in Africa, there is more genetic diversity than in the entire rest of the world. This means blacks would be more likely to produce genetic extremes. Where as the other races would hover closer to average. This is easy to see in an athletic sense. Look how many tall, fast, freakishly athletic blacks there are. Now consider what a small portion of the population they represent. It's phenomenal.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you've totally misinterpreted this genetic phenomenon. The short answer is Jimmy the Greek was right.
Furthermore I would hypothesize that the genetic diversity of blacks on the contentment of Africa is just as expansive as the genetic diversity of white people in North America/Europe albeit there are obviously many differences in phenotypes between races due to geographical adaptations though millennia.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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DNA do retain memories.
What does this mean?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:06 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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DNA do retain memories. What does this mean?
Instinct. For example, babies are born with a natural fear of height. It does not have to be taught. Infants able to crawl were place on glass above floors. They crawled. When the glass was over a 10 foot drop the babies stopped crawling.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:09 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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What does this mean?
"Memories" can be passed down via parts of our DNA
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They showed a section of DNA responsible for sensitivity to the cherry blossom scent was made more active in the mice's sperm.
Both the mice's offspring, and their offspring, were "extremely sensitive" to cherry blossom and would avoid the scent, despite never having experienced it in their lives.
Changes in brain structure were also found.
"The experiences of a parent, even before conceiving, markedly influence both structure and function in the nervous system of subsequent generations," the report concluded.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:17 pm to Zach
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Instinct. For example, babies are born with a natural fear of height. It does not have to be taught. Infants able to crawl were place on glass above floors. They crawled. When the glass was over a 10 foot drop the babies stopped crawling.
This is different from what SFP posted, which, from his link, is more hyper-acute changes in DNA methylation and other epigenetic factors causing immediate neuronal changes in subsequent generations. What you are describing is way more primitive and has been hard-wired in us for a really long time, like moro and sucking reflex.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Will read the Nature Neuro paper when I get off work
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:26 pm to boosiebadazz
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You should read Guns, Germs, and Steel.
LOL. Holy shite. Wow.
Guns, Germs and Steel and everything else Jared Diamond writes is only useful when seeking to understand the mental gymnastics that Liberals/Marxists will undergo in order to justify their false beliefs.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Onmymedicalgrind,
I don't have to look any further than this thread, where you oh-so-conveniently dismissed my remarks by calling me a white supremacist. That's ridiculous.
Let me summarize my argument for you:
(1) All we hear about these days is white privilege." They even teach that bogus crap in colleges and universities these days. Any time blacks are not proportionately represented in some area of endeavor, it is now automatically assumed by many that this under representation is the result of white racism.
(2) Therefore, why is it unfair to point out that blacks, as a group, have never achieved on the same level whites? Not just in evil America, and not just recently.
Now, you claim that you don't agree with the people who automatically blame everything on white racism. GREAT. But if that is really the case, then why did you play the race card when I simply pointed out something that is a fact?
I'm for everybody going as far as their talent and hard work will take them. But, I am against people making me the evil culprit for their lack of achievement. That's why I'm going to stand up against this bogus crap that some black people espouse, blaming white people for any/all of their ills.
I don't have to look any further than this thread, where you oh-so-conveniently dismissed my remarks by calling me a white supremacist. That's ridiculous.
Let me summarize my argument for you:
(1) All we hear about these days is white privilege." They even teach that bogus crap in colleges and universities these days. Any time blacks are not proportionately represented in some area of endeavor, it is now automatically assumed by many that this under representation is the result of white racism.
(2) Therefore, why is it unfair to point out that blacks, as a group, have never achieved on the same level whites? Not just in evil America, and not just recently.
Now, you claim that you don't agree with the people who automatically blame everything on white racism. GREAT. But if that is really the case, then why did you play the race card when I simply pointed out something that is a fact?
I'm for everybody going as far as their talent and hard work will take them. But, I am against people making me the evil culprit for their lack of achievement. That's why I'm going to stand up against this bogus crap that some black people espouse, blaming white people for any/all of their ills.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:35 pm to wmr
Go ahead and post your evidence that it's 100% genetic.
ETA: However, the fact that you used "liberals/Marxists" probably tells me all I need to know about whether to take you seriously or not.
ETA: However, the fact that you used "liberals/Marxists" probably tells me all I need to know about whether to take you seriously or not.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:43 pm to GumboPot
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The short answer is Jimmy the Greek was right.
There is a lot of truth to what Jimmy said. Slaves were treated as livestock and breed accordingly for physical characteristics. It's also true that much of the info on out genetic differences is skewed by racism or fear of being labeled a racist. It's hilarious how the party of science only wants to apply science when it fits their agenda. Why does studying the genetic differences in races have to be seen as a bad thing. And why is it that anything bad can be attributed to the white race without recourse, but if hard scientific evidence portrays a minority group in a less than stellar light, it's racist and stupid?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:44 pm to KCT
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I don't have to look any further than this thread, where you oh-so-conveniently dismissed my remarks by calling me a white supremacist. That's ridiculous.
Ok my bad, so you don't think white are superior to blacks. Than what was the point of that whole post about achievement then in the first place?
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(1) All we hear about these days is white privilege." They even teach that bogus crap in colleges and universities these days. Any time blacks are not proportionately represented in some area of endeavor, it is now automatically assumed by many that this under representation is the result of white racism.
Ok, whats that got to do with me?
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(2) Therefore, why is it unfair to point out that blacks, as a group, have never achieved on the same level whites? Not just in evil America, and not just recently.
Ok sure, point it out. Its been pointed.
Now what is KCT's theory as to why this is so?
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But if that is really the case, then why did you play the race card when I simply pointed out something that is a fact?
Why did I pull the race card out? Dude, the OP is about race! You posted about race before I even posted in this thread! Why is it my post is "pulling out the race card" while yours isn't? This whole thread is about race, genius.
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That's why I'm going to stand up against this bogus crap that some black people espouse, blaming white people for any/all of their ills.
Yea the fact you accused me of doing so when I have not ONCE done this during my time at TD makes me think you probably think this is happening way more than it really is.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:47 pm to onmymedicalgrind
I'm also curious if affirmative action has affected KCT's personal life.
I get that this is a message board and people have different opinions but there seems to be a palpable vitriol in his posts about race relations.
I get that this is a message board and people have different opinions but there seems to be a palpable vitriol in his posts about race relations.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 4:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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. Plus I'm in the inferior group, so I don't even know if I was born with the mental ability to do any of that stuff!
Perhaps you are, since you apparently fail to understand the difference between a groups achievement and an individual achievement.
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